SteveStrummerUK


 
I've always been of the opinion that anyone who's paid for the software has every right to present their opinion whenever and wherever they like. Someone who's experienced nothing but trouble has as much right to say so as someone for whom the program runs like a dream.
 
That said, what's allowed to remain in this forum, and what is to be removed, is completely up to our hosts.
 
I've worked for myself in business, and I'll say one thing - although it's nice to be praised, the opinions I'd really pay attention to are the complaints. Sycophantic drivel (of the sort some around here are all too guilty of) will achieve absolutely nothing in driving the product forward, but the genuine experiences of those for whom the software isn't perfect certainly might.
 
By all means, use the fault reporting system and the feaure request when appropriate, but surely that doesn't mean we can't have a grown up conversation about our DAW of choice.
 
All too often the term "bashing Cakewalk" is just used as a euphemism for "someone who doesn't agree with me".

There's something I'd like to reply to in your comment Steve.

Please let me know if it's ok for me to say anything and I'll respond with my thoughts.

Thanks,

Bub

Anderton: "Admittedly, it is difficult to reason people out of positions they didn't use reason to attain.

Anderton

vintagevibe

Anderton

Admittedly, it is difficult to reason people out of positions they didn't use reason to attain. 

That's the best quote I've seen in a long time.  I should put it in my signature!

Glad you liked it
 
Actually you're a fine example of someone with a realistic view of Sonar and software in general. FWIW, my "Staff View remains primitive" under the reviews "Cons" section is an hommage to your comments, and was directly inspired by same. I do pay attention to the negatives; for many people, Staff View is a big one and is worth pointing out. Just because it doesn't matter to me is irrelevant; it matters to some people, and therefore needs to be mentioned.

I was going to +1 that quote as well. It's a keeper and I would keep a close watch on Dr. Phil to make sure he doesn't include it in his next book Sonar Code.  :)

Bub

SteveStrummerUK



I've always been of the opinion that anyone who's paid for the software has every right to present their opinion whenever and wherever they like. Someone who's experienced nothing but trouble has as much right to say so as someone for whom the program runs like a dream.

That said, what's allowed to remain in this forum, and what is to be removed, is completely up to our hosts.

I've worked for myself in business, and I'll say one thing - although it's nice to be praised, the opinions I'd really pay attention to are the complaints. Sycophantic drivel (of the sort some around here are all too guilty of) will achieve absolutely nothing in driving the product forward, but the genuine experiences of those for whom the software isn't perfect certainly might.

By all means, use the fault reporting system and the feaure request when appropriate, but surely that doesn't mean we can't have a grown up conversation about our DAW of choice.

All too often the term "bashing Cakewalk" is just used as a euphemism for "someone who doesn't agree with me".

There's something I'd like to reply to in your comment Steve.

Please let me know if it's ok for me to say anything and I'll respond with my thoughts.

Thanks,

Bub

 
Fire away good sir
 
 

Uh oh, I think this thread is destined for the Coffee House, Bapu needs to add to his post count anyway.

I agree though, Cakewalk did stick around on the release and help with a lot of the issues folk's were having then. Sonar is a complex piece of software and that itself would contribute to the problems as it get's used after release, everyone has there own way of working and is bound to find something not working the way they expected it to work(or not fixed to satisfaction).

Most reasonable people would understand the risk and roll with the punches until it's totally intolerable and move on others post the displeasure in hopes to remedy to issues. It's a risk of running a Product Forum.

CTStump : "Sonar is a complex piece of software and that itself would contribute to the problems as it get's used after release, everyone has there own way of working and is bound to find something not working the way they expected it to work(or not fixed to satisfaction)."

Man, imagine if this philosophy were applied to cars. Or just about any other product.

What gives Cakewalk the right to use its customers as test pilots ?

Paul P


CTStump : "Sonar is a complex piece of software and that itself would contribute to the problems as it get's used after release, everyone has there own way of working and is bound to find something not working the way they expected it to work(or not fixed to satisfaction)."

Man, imagine if this philosophy were applied to cars. Or just about any other product.

What gives Cakewalk the right to use its customers as test pilots ?

Okay I'll bite, Buy a Tesla and if a problem arises due to a Battery issue ref article: http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-02-15/business/37110253_1_review-car-battery-elon-musk


Tesla's are not a shade tree mechanic's idea of a workable car, they are highly complex machines. The review in question found problems driving the vehicle and Tesla responded that certain conditions outside there operating standards were not utilized, an expensive car having problems go figure.


Adobe Audition 2 came with MIDI, it never worked(at least as intended) even through version 3. Still even without that it was well worth using for everything else. They dropped it after that.


Not saying nobody has a beef here just saying in the million ways people do things it's impossible to encounter every issue that will show up.

Paul P


Man, imagine if this philosophy were applied to cars. Or just about any other product.

What gives Cakewalk the right to use its customers as test pilots ?

I'm assuming you're using a WINDOWS machine...? Not only does Microsoft use their users as "test pilots" but they continuously change the playing field by shoving countless updates down their throats.  Your system changes with every update.  Anyone using Windows has been a beta user since 1990...


Cheers,
Rob

Oh boy...using a car as a metaphor for simplicity is kind of a joke...unless you are talking about pre-1975. Then you can talk simplicity.

Even then....

Bub

SteveStrummerUK



I've always been of the opinion that anyone who's paid for the software has every right to present their opinion whenever and wherever they like. Someone who's experienced nothing but trouble has as much right to say so as someone for whom the program runs like a dream.

That said, what's allowed to remain in this forum, and what is to be removed, is completely up to our hosts.

I've worked for myself in business, and I'll say one thing - although it's nice to be praised, the opinions I'd really pay attention to are the complaints. Sycophantic drivel (of the sort some around here are all too guilty of) will achieve absolutely nothing in driving the product forward, but the genuine experiences of those for whom the software isn't perfect certainly might.

By all means, use the fault reporting system and the feaure request when appropriate, but surely that doesn't mean we can't have a grown up conversation about our DAW of choice.

All too often the term "bashing Cakewalk" is just used as a euphemism for "someone who doesn't agree with me".

There's something I'd like to reply to in your comment Steve.

Please let me know if it's ok for me to say anything and I'll respond with my thoughts.

Thanks,

Bub

Childish.
 

chuckebaby

Bub

SteveStrummerUK

I've always been of the opinion that anyone who's paid for the software has every right to present their opinion whenever and wherever they like. Someone who's experienced nothing but trouble has as much right to say so as someone for whom the program runs like a dream.

That said, what's allowed to remain in this forum, and what is to be removed, is completely up to our hosts.

I've worked for myself in business, and I'll say one thing - although it's nice to be praised, the opinions I'd really pay attention to are the complaints. Sycophantic drivel (of the sort some around here are all too guilty of) will achieve absolutely nothing in driving the product forward, but the genuine experiences of those for whom the software isn't perfect certainly might.

By all means, use the fault reporting system and the feaure request when appropriate, but surely that doesn't mean we can't have a grown up conversation about our DAW of choice.

All too often the term "bashing Cakewalk" is just used as a euphemism for "someone who doesn't agree with me".

There's something I'd like to reply to in your comment Steve.

Please let me know if it's ok for me to say anything and I'll respond with my thoughts.

Thanks,

Bub

Childish.

Sad.

I thought I knew you better than this.

I was completely wrong.

Good luck with your music Chuck.