Well here's my 2cents worth,
                                         Craig has been around the block and I'm sure he would have checked to an acceptable level in regards to the "general" feeling on the forums. He has always been helpfull here and for a professional to take the time to help us amatuers out it's quite commendable. We sholuld also not forget the deadline for his article this didn't really leave alot of time for the bugs/flaws or whatever to surface.
 YES sonar X2 is a great peice of software but there ARE undeniable flaws in the code and for me at least they have become "FLOWSTOPPERS" almost showstoppers but not quite.
"THERE IS HOWEVER A GROWING VIBE COMING FROM CERTAIN USERS WHO CRITICISE ,DISREGARD OR DON"T ACCEPT IT WHEN OTHERS ARE HAVING MAJOR PROBLEMS THAT AREN'T USER /HARDWARE ERRORS"
I have felt it a number of times directed at me. It seems post count is more relavent that actual membership time. I was part of the AUDIOTRAK MAYA  world wide  field test conducted through these forums in 2000 (if i remember) and have had Numerous SOLID DAWS over the years but in the last 6 months my critical posts have more often than not drawn vehment criticisms  of my knowledge or attitude or not posting my specs etc...
After 15 + years of being a staunch  and quiet vocal supporter (hell I've probaly made more sales for CW than any of the music stores in my state over this time) I now feel that I should not bother here at all and just wait for the patches and pray.
THIS WORKED from VER 1 - 8.5 but since the X series there are many bugs and flaws that HAVE NOT BEEN ADRESSED that should have be the MAIN PRIORITIES. LESS PLUGINS MORE FIXES eg PRV redraw issues that were never there CW PRV WAS THE BEST bar none now its flaky! thats just one thing that only this week has gotten me more annoyed at sonar. I just hope some extra effort is made by the CW team and the FEW really great forum members to ressurect this DAW IT HAS SOOO MUCH GOING FOR IT IT'S SAD THAT ITS SO CLOSE YET SO FAR AWAY FROM WHERE IT COULD BE

Anderton

Bub

GlennP 

Bub... I thought you would get a chuckle out of this, "left of field" how true! 

The problem with all of this is, you can't dispute the man without coming off like an a**hole. 

We all know his article isn't accurate ... but if you say anything, then you're the bad guy, know what I mean? 

LOL. 

Not necessarily the "bad" guy, just the guy who doesn't bother to do research...unlike the guy who writes articles and has his name on the line.

I stand by what I said. The article is indeed accurate; consider the timeline, go back to those dates in the forum, and check out the posts compared to the posts an equivalent amount of time after X1 was released.
That article was published in the January 2013 issue, which means the deadline was the first week of October 2012. Go back to the forum right after Sonar X2 was released, and check out the initial impressions. You'll find, as did I, that many initial impressions were indeed quite favorable - especially compared to the initial reaction to X1, which from day one, was generally extremely negative. It only took me a couple minutes (just to be fair, I did only a quick glance as per the original article...didn't search on complimentary words or anything) to locate lots of comments like the following.


DJ Wayne:

I just completed the install of X2, only took about 45 minutes which included registering all the components, a sound check with an X1 project, a midi check and, some lunch, all is well !!!

I love the auto zoom !!

X2 loads up really fast on my computer. :)


Slumbermachine:

I upgraded my X1 to X2 yesterday and I must say that everything that was annoying about working in X1 seems to have been improved. The workflow of X2 is ten times better! I did run into a few bugs, so cakewalk does have some work to do on patching, but nothing that was completely deadly. The interface is really pleasing on the eyes and feels plush, like driving a luxury car vs. a mid sized sedan. Congrats to the cakewalk team from a customer that has been with you since the dos versions in the 80s! Great release!

Jason r:

Exactly how I feel about it. Some bugs I have as well, like if I hover over the presets bar in pro channel it won't display until I press stop, and other minor shortcomings, but as a whole very much enjoying X2


ChipMichael

Ok... This is the best upgrade I've ever experienced.

X2 does all the things I do in X1, added some new features I really like (and already using) in X2 and didn't created a whole new learning curve with the features I know and love.

The upgrade from 8.5 to X1 was painful, frustration and numerous times I was tempted to go back and never purchase another Cakewalk product.  I was happy with 8.5, but not at all pleased with X1.  However, eventually, I found my way around the product. After 3 months of stagnation I was back to being productive.

THRILLED TO BE PRODUCTIVE FROM DAY ONE with SONAR X2.


Synkrotron:

So far, despite some minor issues, I am really enjoying X2 and I've only gone back to X1 to check the odd thing or two out.


Chuckebaby:

IM LOVIN LIFE WITH X2 !!!!

having alot of fun..less posting hre on the forum and more making music.
great thread man.


Zonno:

I am under the impression that X2 is a little bit more gapless than X1.


Steve C:

Definitely seems so here. Not 100%, but I do get gapping less frequently and when I do they tend to be less obtrusive. I like that I can drag a synth into the TV without stopping, and only the multi-out versions seem to have a noticeable effect.


Furthermore, there's more to life than forums. I queried Cakewalk about calls to tech support, complaints made directly to Cakewalk, and bug reports submitted. They said all of those were a trickle compared with X1.

A comment like "we all know the article isn't accurate" might explain why you come off like you say you do. Then again, I think you're the guy who said it wasn't appropriate to post a link to a particular video, but didn't actually watch the video before coming to that conclusion.

I think some of us do understand what you were saying and do not think the quote in question is inaccurate. See my post no. 4 on the first page. Some of us have a better idea what the forum is doing then others. Especially those that post once in a blue moon. 

Some of us know you for many years and know you have great integrity. 

I think most posters were very happy with the release of X2. 

@TEN_K

Can you please post your issues - with detail - as a series of however many threads that takes?

I do not recall having seen any posts of issues from you, but if I can do anything to help either resolve or find a workaround for any of them, I would certainly like to try.

Bugs are beyond the forum's capability to solve - but there have been many workarounds for some of the stuff that needs patches, and quite a few non-bug issues can be resolved completely, with some cooperative analysis of given situations.

So, I would like to try to assist you, if possible.

Bob Bone

Anderton

Bub

GlennP 

Bub... I thought you would get a chuckle out of this, "left of field" how true! 

The problem with all of this is, you can't dispute the man without coming off like an a**hole. 

We all know his article isn't accurate ... but if you say anything, then you're the bad guy, know what I mean? 

LOL. 

Not necessarily the "bad" guy, just the guy who doesn't bother to do research...unlike the guy who writes articles and has his name on the line.

I think it's a fair assessment to say that I probably spend a little more time here than you do?

I mean, I logged on at 7:30am on Friday and didn't log off until 12:30am Saturday. A quick glance at our join dates and post counts will tell you that I spend more time here on the forums than I do sleeping. This PC I use is also my DAW. So I'm always switching back and forth between the forums and my DAW. I pretty much see almost every post in the X1/2 forum.

Maybe I should do my own review and submit to a few places ... you know, something from an unbiased consumers point of view?

Research? Have you ever given me one iota of credit for all the people I have helped here or the positive things I have said about X2? Nope. Instead you accuse me of not bothering to do research. I think if you check ... I'm a lot more positive about X2 than some people here would have you believe.

I think Cakewalk's pretty lucky to have customers like me that spend so much time here helping people, and sending them revenue for the upgrade path and add-on's even after they've had some bad experiences with the software, some to the point where they couldn't even use it. But hey, that's just my warped 'positive' way of looking at it. It's a bit more based in reality in my opinion.

It only took me a couple minutes (just to be fair, I did only a quick glance as per the original article...didn't search on complimentary words or anything) to locate lots of comments like the following.

DJ Wayne:

I just completed the install of X2, only took about 45 minutes which included registering all the components, a sound check with an X1 project, a midi check and, some lunch, all is well !!!

I love the auto zoom !!

X2 loads up really fast on my computer. :)


Slumbermachine:

I upgraded my X1 to X2 yesterday and I must say that everything that was annoying about working in X1 seems to have been improved. The workflow of X2 is ten times better! I did run into a few bugs, so cakewalk does have some work to do on patching, but nothing that was completely deadly. The interface is really pleasing on the eyes and feels plush, like driving a luxury car vs. a mid sized sedan. Congrats to the cakewalk team from a customer that has been with you since the dos versions in the 80s! Great release!

Jason r:

Exactly how I feel about it. Some bugs I have as well, like if I hover over the presets bar in pro channel it won't display until I press stop, and other minor shortcomings, but as a whole very much enjoying X2


ChipMichael

Ok... This is the best upgrade I've ever experienced.

X2 does all the things I do in X1, added some new features I really like (and already using) in X2 and didn't created a whole new learning curve with the features I know and love.

The upgrade from 8.5 to X1 was painful, frustration and numerous times I was tempted to go back and never purchase another Cakewalk product.  I was happy with 8.5, but not at all pleased with X1.  However, eventually, I found my way around the product. After 3 months of stagnation I was back to being productive.

THRILLED TO BE PRODUCTIVE FROM DAY ONE with SONAR X2.


Synkrotron:

So far, despite some minor issues, I am really enjoying X2 and I've only gone back to X1 to check the odd thing or two out.


Chuckebaby:

IM LOVIN LIFE WITH X2 !!!!

having alot of fun..less posting hre on the forum and more making music.
great thread man.


Zonno:

I am under the impression that X2 is a little bit more gapless than X1.


Steve C:

Definitely seems so here. Not 100%, but I do get gapping less frequently and when I do they tend to be less obtrusive. I like that I can drag a synth into the TV without stopping, and only the multi-out versions seem to have a noticeable effect.


Furthermore, there's more to life than forums. I queried Cakewalk about calls to tech support, complaints made directly to Cakewalk, and bug reports submitted. They said all of those were a trickle compared with X1.

A comment like "we all know the article isn't accurate" might explain why you come off like you say you do. Then again, I think you're the guy who said it wasn't appropriate to post a link to a particular video, but didn't actually watch the video before coming to that conclusion.

We could go back and forth till eternity on this one. Kind of like that Star Trek episode with Frank Gorshin. LOL I can provide you with twice as many quotes from people that paid for X1 and X2 but can't use it ... or have left Cakewalk completely, or have went back to 8.5.

Hey, I didn't start this thread ... I only replied to it.

mudgel:

"craig
I think you expect too much from the current forum crop to think that they possess the necessary ability to reason on such things.
How could when the article was written have a bearing on the meaning of the words.
Wonder how many will come back to apologise for speaking/writing before they've ascertained the actual facts.

Anderton:
"Admittedly, it is difficult to reason people out of positions they didn't use reason to attain. And discussions would be more meaningful if they were conducted with people who live in fact-based worlds. But, that's life. Just to put things in perspective, it's not like I'm dealing with brutal dictators slaughtering innocent civilians, or scam artists preying on 93-year-old widows. It could be a whole lot worse. "

Between the two of you, you've insulted just about everyone in this community.

Way to go.

Same old insulting negative folks EVERYTIME. Yes, EVERYTIME.
 
Sad they do not realize they are the MINORITY, not the majority.
 
Try going thru 3 months of posts, all of them and count. remember one dumb*&s only counts as one as does one guy who feels sonar is stable enough. I did it more than once-
 
You depressing cry babies are around 12 to 15% of the forum members.
 
But you guys won't do that because then you would have to lie to be able to spew your garbage.
 
Wait, who am I kidding, nothing short of a miracle would stop the hate and garbage.
 

John
 

I'm not saying that X2 is without flaws but at this time after X1 one was released it was far and away worse on this forum. 
 

Yet at the time, your completely unbiased and objective assessment of the situation was, and I quote: "I have used X1 from its release. I have not had any significant problems with it. Actually X1 as a first release was far and away the best first release CW ever put out"
 
Sorry John, I've said it before and I'll say it again, but your opinions are worthless and irrelevant to any serious discussion about Cakewalk products.
 
And yes, I've brought that quote up again. And I'll continue to do so until you retract that highly subjective and erroneous statement.

Bub
I think it's a fair assessment to say that I probably spend a little more time here than you do?

I mean, I logged on at 7:30am on Friday and didn't log off until 12:30am Saturday. A quick glance at our join dates and post counts will tell you that I spend more time here on the forums than I do sleeping. This PC I use is also my DAW. So I'm always switching back and forth between the forums and my DAW. I pretty much see almost every post in the X1/2 forum.

Maybe I should do my own review and submit to a few places ... you know, something from an unbiased consumers point of view?

Research? Have you ever given me one iota of credit for all the people I have helped here or the positive things I have said about X2? Nope. Instead you accuse me of not bothering to do research. I think if you check ... I'm a lot more positive about X2 than some people here would have you believe.

I think Cakewalk's pretty lucky to have customers like me that spend so much time here helping people, and sending them revenue for the upgrade path and add-on's even after they've had some bad experiences with the software, some to the point where they couldn't even use it. But hey, that's just my warped 'positive' way of looking at it. It's a bit more based in reality in my opinion.

Hey, I didn't start this thread ... I only replied to it.

You are truly delusional-How very sad indeed. At least now I really understand.

Paul P


mudgel:

"craig
I think you expect too much from the current forum crop to think that they possess the necessary ability to reason on such things.
How could when the article was written have a bearing on the meaning of the words.
Wonder how many will come back to apologise for speaking/writing before they've ascertained the actual facts.

Anderton:
"Admittedly, it is difficult to reason people out of positions they didn't use reason to attain. And discussions would be more meaningful if they were conducted with people who live in fact-based worlds. But, that's life. Just to put things in perspective, it's not like I'm dealing with brutal dictators slaughtering innocent civilians, or scam artists preying on 93-year-old widows. It could be a whole lot worse. "

Between the two of you, you've insulted just about everyone in this community.

Way to go.

That's exactly what how I took it too.
 
 

SteveStrummerUK

John
 

I'm not saying that X2 is without flaws but at this time after X1 one was released it was far and away worse on this forum. 
 

Yet at the time, your completely unbiased and objective assessment of the situation was, and I quote: "I have used X1 from its release. I have not had any significant problems with it. Actually X1 as a first release was far and away the best first release CW ever put out"
 
Sorry John, I've said it before and I'll say it again, but your opinions are worthless and irrelevant to any serious discussion about Cakewalk products.
 
And yes, I've brought that quote up again. And I'll continue to do so until you retract that highly subjective and erroneous statement.

And as before I was talking how it was working for me. There is no way you can find fault with it because it applied to me. I still have that same opinion. A few things you should keep in mind when you try to confront me on statements I have made. Sometimes its what I do not say about Sonar that one can draw a lot from. Another is that when I talk about Sonar and give an opinion on it it is my experience that I am basing it on. I do not and have never parroted any one else. I listen but I do not always see the same thing. 

Its too bad you find me incredible. I try hard to be accurate when I offer any thoughts on Sonar or how to use it. 

What I find odd is that you are cataloging statements made by me years ago and no others. Why is that?

You know the controversy X1 caused when it came out. You I was strongly in favor of it you also that for many it was not stable for them until X1d came out. For me it was stable from day one. It had some glitches but none that crash it on my machine. 

The whole tone and acceptance of X2 was totally different when it came out. Even though it also had its share of issues. That is a fact and a study of the period will testify.