Between the two of you, you've insulted just about everyone in this community

 
Nope, I don't feel insulted at all.
 
 
Edit: And no, it has nothing to do with the fact that I was in the list of Craig's quotes.  In the OP it clearly states the X2 *rollout*.   And as has been stated multiple times already, the X2 rollout was nothing like X1.   Pretty straightforward I think.
 

Look,  There's a lot in between a fanboy and a basher.  I'm neither, I appreciate what is good and what works about Sonar and I point out that which needs improvement and those things that don't work as advertised. 
 
One can't fully trust the vast majority of software "reviews" in the major commercial music magazines for several reasons:
 
1.  An old-boy's network of doing favors for each other (software publishers/magazines)
2.  The reviewer tinkers with the program for a week or so and only uses 1/4 of its features or so (I could be wrong, but Anderton mentioned, I think, that he doesn't use the staff view for example)
3.  Real-world issues other than installation (i.e. bugs) are seldom talked about.  The pros and cons section of Sound on Sound reviews, for example, rarely mention bugs, even though programming errors are abundant in X2a, albeit much fewer than in X1 and its subsequent releases
 
Is it not possible for people to find some middle ground (many do) between being an unappreciative bashing jerk and an uncritical, software-worshipping fanboy?  
 
My sense of the CW X2 forum is that there are a lot of people, some 40-50% who experience crashes.  That's a lot.  But how many of these crashes are due to Sonar and how many are due to bad drivers, overtaxed computers, not enough memory, poor quality sound cards, poor troubleshooting skills, etc.? Hard to say.  Then there are the many people reporting all kinds of bugs, big and small.  One of my students just had to download a Kontakt 5 update because it wasn't behaving well with Digital Performer 8, so Sonar is not the only DAW with bugs.
 
I think some musicians here, those who actually love making music more than they love tinkering, upgrading, testing and comparing their tools, don't upgrade unless necessary.  When one uses complex tools, such as the ones we use, getting them to work together in a reasonably stable and reliable manner is not always easy, upgrading anything is often a dumb idea unless the gains will really be greater than the risks of introducing instability into the system.  The newest incarnation of a software program is not necessarily the best version.  I'll take Sonar 7.0.2 (and use) over any other version because it works extremely well on Windows 7 and utilizes 64 bit technology so I can do whatever I need to do with it.   It looks better than X2, the layouts, window locking and docking are just as useful and flexible as in X1 and X2 (if you bother to learn how to use them) and it handles all of my VST soft synths and third-party signal processing without an issue.  What more could I want, besides a more sophisticated notation editor?
 
JG
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Craig doesn't have to defend his position to anyone. His many years of credible writing make me believe what he says, just because he says it. He always does his homework. 

When this thread was started, I personally recalled the forum scene as he was seeing it while writing his review some time ago. He shouldn't have had to post quotes here to prove his point. Anyone on the forum could have gone back and reviewed the same comments, but that just goes to show that some of the complainers here don't do their homework like Craig does.   

It's true, we've recently had some people who can't get over their personal pet peeve about Sonar and post at every opportunity...those who are trying to run X2 on inadequate systems...some who have legit problems...and even that troublemaker who was wantonly trashing the program recently without owning the program or even trying the demo version...but many people are using X2 satisfactorily without finding the need to visit this forum at all.

And for someone to say, "We all know his article isn't accurate,"...well, that's quite assumptive to use the word "all", when you can clearly see from the forum that we don't "all" agree with you. If someone is going to gripe because Craig used the phrase "most users", then saying we "all" disagree is even worse.

One thing's for sure, we "all" don't feel the same way about every aspect of Sonar. But Craig is correct, in my eyes, when he says most of us have experienced the smoothest roll out yet. Bristol Jonesy's assessment is correct on all three counts.

I personally visit this forum only to see if there's a new tip on how to get the most out of Sonar, but mostly, it's turned into a complaint department. Those of us with no complaints don't need a complaint department, so as you'll notice, my post count is low, even though I've used Sonar since 7.

Its not hard to take things out of context and make a big deal out them. I think the OP should apologize to Mr. Anderton.

Those of you here that jumped on it should also apologize to him and the rest of us.  

You should be ashamed of yourselves. 

Anderton

 

Admittedly, it is difficult to reason people out of positions they didn't use reason to attain. And discussions would be more meaningful if they were conducted with people who live in fact-based worlds. But, that's life. Just to put things in perspective, it's not like I'm dealing with brutal dictators slaughtering innocent civilians, or scam artists preying on 93-year-old widows. It could be a whole lot worse.

This post cheered me up no end. 
 
Thank you, Craig.  I am often envious of your use of language and your communication skills.
 
Some people post that they are finding X2 fine.  Some people post that they are not.  A small few post that they are not over and over and over again, at every opportunity, even if it means leaping in with the trolls.  This does not make them right, just vociferous.
 
I also think that they view the forums through there own agendas, and only see what they want, or expect, to see.
 
I respect Craig's work, and he has always come accross as conscientious and principled.  The same could not be said of some of the posters here.

John


Its not hard to take things out of context and make a big deal out them. I think the OP should apologize to Mr. Anderton.

Those of you here that jumped on it should also apologize to him and the rest of us.  

You should be ashamed of yourselves. 

Doubt that is going to happen....


Too much negativism round to actually cut through this lot. I, for one, do not tie my whole identity to what DAW I buy...but some seem to have done just that....




Dang "A" and "S" keys MI .

jb101

Anderton

 

Admittedly, it is difficult to reason people out of positions they didn't use reason to attain. And discussions would be more meaningful if they were conducted with people who live in fact-based worlds. But, that's life. Just to put things in perspective, it's not like I'm dealing with brutal dictators slaughtering innocent civilians, or scam artists preying on 93-year-old widows. It could be a whole lot worse.

This post cheered me up no end. 
 
Thank you, Craig.  I am often envious of your use of language and your communication skills.
 
Some people post that they are finding X2 fine.  Some people post that they are not.  A small few post that they are not over and over and over again, at every opportunity, even if it means leaping in with the trolls.  This does not make them right, just vociferous.
 
I also think that they view the forums through there own agendas, and only see what they want, or expect, to see.
 
I respect Craig's work, and he has always come accross as conscientious and principled.  The same could not be said of some of the posters here.

I think this is the best take on this thread we are going to see. Everything you said is golden. 

As far as your writing skills go it isn't you that is envious but me of you.

John

Its not hard to take things out of context and make a big deal out them. I think the OP should apologize to Mr. Anderton.

Those of you here that jumped on it should also apologize to him and the rest of us.  

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I think you should apologize to people for downplaying all the problems with Sonar and leading them to believe it works flawlessly. That's a lot worse than anyone coming on here complaining about the actual bugs.

Talk about taking things out of context ...

And if this thread is so upsetting to you, maybe you should take your own advice and ignore it.

Bub: where did John say Sonar works flawlessly?

It's quite depressing hanging around people who have a "life is $hit" vibe. 

Bub

John

Its not hard to take things out of context and make a big deal out them. I think the OP should apologize to Mr. Anderton.

Those of you here that jumped on it should also apologize to him and the rest of us.  

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I think you should apologize to people for downplaying all the problems with Sonar and leading them to believe it works flawlessly. That's a lot worse than anyone coming on here complaining about the actual bugs.

Talk about taking things out of context ...

And if this thread is so upsetting to you, maybe you should take your own advice and ignore it.

First off I have never done such a thing. That is BS. Pure and simple. 

Perhaps you are unaware but this is the second time on this forum that Graig Anderton has been attacked. You have been a participant in both attacks. 

Please stop your nonsense now and forever. Saying lies and than repeating them doesn't make them any more true. 

You really need to look at your behavior here and in other threads before you accuse me or anyone else of anything.