Ken,

Apologies for the error in my previous note regarding the
x in F0 42 3x 1......... of your sysex essage.
As Juca said, 0 is effectively channel 1, so it would go from 30,
up to 37 which would be channel 8, dependant on which channel you wanted
to change.

I found part of an M1 manual, and the Midi information looks better
than I have seen in a lot of manuals, and I beleive the T3 is based on an M1, so
the midi implementation is probably similar. Unfortunately the copy I found is not
complete, so....

So, some more information.........

The 4th byte of information is either 26, which is a Data load complete message,
or 19 which is the Keyboard family code for the M1/T1/T2/T3 keyboads.

The 5th Byte 4E is the mode change request.

then I'm guessing, but........

I think the 6th and 7th bytes do the change, and it looks to me as though it has to
select the bank, then toggle it to change, thus needing two messages.

Hope this helps,

Colin

Hi Juca,

I did the test of bank change from within combi mode and the sysex data shows that when I advance the program (regardless of whether I am switching banks or not) it returns the sysex data of :

kind=control
data=96

If I decrease the program (scroll back one program) it returns:

kind=control
data=97

But it gives these values whether I move from one bank to another or not. Anyway, here is my email address:

madmix@earthlink.net

Thanks,

Ken

Ken:
The test you made (changin from one program to other) was reflected in the recorded messages, because CC96 is data increment and CC97 is data decrement (see the X3 Controllers number at final). The test wich will be util for you (I think) is to put the T3 in Program Mode, to prepare the receive sysex message in Sonar, to change the T3 mode from Program to Combi Mode and to look at the received message in Sonar. This is the code wich, when inserted as Exclusive Message in a track, will turn automaticly the T3 in Combi Mode.
The next test wich will be util (I think) for you is, in a new process, with the T3 in Multi Mode, to prepare the receive sysex message in Sonar, to go in one of the 8 parts of the Combination and change a patch from Bank A to Bank B and to look at the received message in Sonar. This is the code wich, when inserted as Exclusive Message in a track, will change automaticaly the patch assigned to one track?MIDI channel frol bank A to B. If you record the oposite (record a change from Bank B to A) you´ll have the code from to change from Bank B to A.
I hope you can understand what I´m writing (my English isn´t that all). If you wish, you can E-Mail me private at juca.iai@terra.com.br.
Good luck.

The X3 Controllers list I did speak:

[Korg X3 Controllers]
0=Bank Select (MSB)
1=Pitch Modulation
2=VDF Modulation (cutoff)
4=Foot Controller (Scale main/sub)
6=Data Entry (MSB)
7=Volume
10=A:B Panpot
11=Expression
12=Effect Controller 1
13=Effect Controller 2
32=Bank Select (LSB)
38=Data Entry (LSB)
64=Damper Switch
72=EG Time (release)
73=EG Time (attack)
74=EG Time (Brightness)
91=Send C (Reverb Level)
92=Effects 1 (on/off)
93=Send D (Chorus Level)
94=Effects 2 (on/off)
96=Data Increase (RPN)
97=Data Decrease (RPN)
100=RPN (LSB)
101=RPN (MSB)
120=All Sound OFF
121=Reset All Controls

And also about the Banks:

[Korg X3]
Control=Korg X3 Controllers
Patch[3]=Korg X3 Bank D (CART)
Patch[2]=Korg X3 Bank C (CART)
Patch[1]=Korg X3 Bank B
Patch[0]=Korg X3 Bank A
Patch[7936]=Korg X3 Rom Drums
Patch[7168]=Korg X3 Bank GM
Patch

=Korg X3 Bank A
Key[7936,0]=Korg X3 GM-129 GM Kit
Key[7936,16]=Korg X3 GM-130 Power Kit
Key[7936,32]=Korg X3 GM-132 Jazz Kit
Key[7936,48]=Korg X3 GM-136 Orchestra Kit
Key[7936,64]=Korg X3 GM-134 Percussion Kit
Key[7936,25]=Korg X3 GM-131 Analog Kit
Key[7936,24]=Korg X3 GM-135 Dance Kit
Key[7936,40]=Korg X3 GM-133 Brush Kit
Drum[7936,*]=1

Hi Juca,

I did some of the tests that you mentioned (see above posts for results). My T3 does not have a "multi" mode that I'm aware of. or at least I don't know how to access it. I have heard of multi modefor the M1 though. Are you referring to sequencer mode. As far as switching patches in combi mode, that's how I got the "96" and "97" (data in/de-crement) values. With the T3 you need to scroll through the patches to change them within the track.

Well, I called Korg again and I was told that the t-3 uses controller 32 method. I was also given the following values but I'm not sure exavtly how to plug them into an instrument definition file:

BYTE/ BANK-A/ BANK-B

MSB/ 0-0/ 0-0

LSB/ 32-0/ 32-1

Could this be right? I will play around with it later today. Thanks for sticking with me on this!!!

Regards,

Ken

Ken:
Finally Korg told you anything I believe can to be right. This values are the used by the Normal Bank Change mode in Sonar:
Control Change 0, value 0 + Control Change 32, value 0 = Bank A (more Prog Change)
Control Change 0, value 0 + Control Change 32, value 1 = Bank B (more Prog Change).
Try and post the result.
Best regards.

PS - Sorry, when I said Multi Mode I mean to say Combi Mode (Multi Mode is in my X5DR).

Hi Juca,

So then if I understand correctly, my instrument definition section should look like this, right?

; ----------------------------------------------------------------------

.Instrument Definitions

[Korg T3]
BankSelMethod=0
Patch[32]=Bank A
Patch[33]=Bank B

Unfortunately, no luck with this way. Either I am wrong or my Korg is broken . Also, the Korg tech said that the T3 uses controller 32 method to change banks. I also tried the file as below woth no luck.

; ----------------------------------------------------------------------

.Instrument Definitions

[Korg T3]
BankSelMethod=0
Patch[0]=Bank A
Patch[1]=Bank B

Ken

Ken,
Having compared my .INS file with my N1R manual, try the following.

; ----------------------------------------------------------------------

.Instrument Definitions

[Korg T3]
Patch[32]=Bank A
Patch[33]=Bank B

Regards,
Colin.

Hi Colin,

I tried this (see previous post). Or do you mean that I should leave out the BankSelMethod line?

Ken

Ken,
Yeah! Leave out the
BankSelMethod=0
line.

One thought, did you define the Instrument definition to Sonar, and
assign the Sonar output channels to the Instrument definition, using
Options>Instruments.......

Regards,
Colin.

Hi Colin,

No luck there. I have been defining the ins files and associating them with my T3's midi in channels via the options/instruments dialogue. I downloaded an instrument definition file for my MC505 which worked perfectly for that device. Well, I'm stubbor... I mean determined, so I will get this to work eventually.

Thank you,

Ken