ORIGINAL: ColinB52

One thought, did you define the Instrument definition to Sonar, and
assign the Sonar output channels to the Instrument definition, using
Options>Instruments.......

Ken:
Yeah, confirm if you did make the assignment wich Colin talk about.... And also be sure you have assined a MIDI channel for the Sonar track.... and if the track output in track view is assigned to the correct destin ...
About the instrument definition you did post, I believe will not work. The correct, as I understand, is:

[Korg T3]
BankSelMethod=0 (this mean the use of Control 0 and 32 - Normal Mode)
Patch[0]=Korg T3 Bank A (this mean the value of CC 32 is 0 then bank is A)
Patch[1]=Korg T3 Bank B (this mean the value of CC 32 is 1 then bank is B)
Patch

=Korg T3 Bank A (this mean the value of CC 32 is "none" then bank is A)

I believe your are making confusion with the Korg and also with mine info and not fully understood the equation. Control 0 and Control 32, in a associated work, make the definition of for what bank the MIDI device (the T3 in your particular case) will go. So, assuming wich each Control Change message have one value atributed to it, when Control Change 0 have a value of 0 and Control Change 32 have a value of 0, the Program Change message wich is transmitted in sequence (80 as one example) will put the correspondent MIDI channel of the device in the Program # 80 of the Bank A.
If otherside Control Change 0 have a value of 0 and Control Change 32 have a value of 1, the Program Change message wich is transmitted in sequence (80 as one example) will put the correspondent MIDI channel of the device in the Program # 80 of the Bank B.
I´m sure this is the hurt of the question for you to understand. Understanding this, the logical instrument definition for the T3 is the one I mentioned before.
But newly: be sure you have the instrument definition correctly assigned and the MIDI channel and output also correctly assigned in the correspondent track in track view.
I hope you finally can return to make good music ....
Good luck!

OK guys, I think I'm on to something. I was told by the Korg tech that the MSB for bank A=0-0 and bank B is 0-0 AND the LSB for bank A=32-0 and for bank B=32-1. Well, I just used MIDI OX to analyze the progran/bank change messages as they are set from my ins def file and it seems that the MSB and LSB is being sent as follows:

MSB for bank A=0-0 and bank B is 0-0 AND the
LSB for bank 20-0 and for bank B=20-1

Question is, how do i edit the ins def file so that the data is sent correctly? Here's the log file from MIDI OX:

===> MIDI-OX Version: 6.5.0.340
===> Log Opened: Sat 30-Apr-2005 11:45:55 ===>
TIMESTAM____IN_____PORT___STATUS___DATA1___DATA2___CHAN___NOTE___EVENT
00006E01_____MOX___4______B0________00______00_______1_______---_____CC:____Bank MSB
00006E01_____MOX___4______B0________20______01_______1_______---_____CC:____Bank LSB
00006E01_____MOX___4______C0________00______--_______1_______---_____PC:____B 00 One World

<=== MIDI-OX Log Closed: Sat 30-Apr-2005 12:12:29 <===


Thanks,

Ken

Ken,
I'm not sure, but I think the data shown in MIDI-OX is in Hex,
which, would give the middle line with the Data 1 and Data2
values of 20 01, a data 1 an actual value of 32,
and Data 2 a Decimal value of 1, which by my reckoning would be
the LSB for Bank B.

What do you have in the .INS file when you see this data?
Patch[32]=Bank A
Patch[33]=Bank B

Have you tried a Patch select to select a voice from that Bank, after
you send the patch change. The reason I ask is that when I started
using Midi, I can recall, I had a midi enabled keyboard,which would
not do a bank change unless you sent the change followed by a patch
select message - at which time it would change bank and patch.

If Midi-Ox is showing decimal values, and you have the patches set as
32 and 33, then try the following............

Patch[96]=Bank A
Patch[97]=Bank B

and see if MIDI-OX shows Data 1 at 32 and data 2 as either 0 or 1.

Do you have a scanner? If so, could you e-mail me the Midi implementation
pages from the T3 manual? It might help.

Regards,
Colin.

ken:
The Korg tech is right (finally) and the MIDI-OX data confirm it. Colin is right when he say MIDI-OX show data in FEX format, so when it show 20 you would read 32 (in our decimal system). So, the MIDI-OX info is reflecting exactly the Korg info and that is your correct Bank Change. I already had tell you about this in various other messages and I don´t understand as you didn´t solve the problem at this time.
If you have the same instrument definition wich is in the Korg.ins file (at the Sonar install folder), it would to be working normally, because it show exactly the same data wich Korg refer and wich the T3 sent to MIDI-OX.
I´m sending for your E-Mail the Korg.ins file. Import the T3 definition and it will work fine, I´m sure. If it not work, any other setting inside Sonar or at the T3 is stopping the correct working of Bank Changes.
Good luck and thanks to Colin for the nice support.

If you have the same instrument definition wich is in the Korg.ins file (at the Sonar install folder), it would to be working normally, because it show exactly the same data wich Korg refer and wich the T3 sent to MIDI-OX.

That would be fine Juca, except that the readings that MIDI OX gave were from the ins file (not from the T3). I created a program change (from program A00 to B00) from within the sequencer page of the T3 and output this to MIDI OX. Herer are the results:

===> MIDI-OX Version: 6.5.0.340
===> Log Opened: Sat 30-Apr-2005 16:27:09 ===>
TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT

00001356___2__--____FA_____--_____--_____--___---__Start
0000135B___2__--____F8_____--_____--_____--___---__Timing Clock
0000135F___2___--___C0_____00_____--_____1____---__PC: Acc. Grand Piano
TrkEnd
# MIDI-OX: MIDI To Text Format - Closed: Sat 30-Apr-2005 16:28:29

Sorry for the confusion.

Ken

Hi Colin,

I scanned the documents. Could you send me your email addrsss. I think I have it on my work PC but not here. I will email the docs ASAP. BTW, Here is the section of the ins file that you inquired about


.Instrument Definitions


[Korg T3]
BankSelMethod=2
Patch[0]=Korg T3 Bank A
Patch[1]=Korg T3 Bank B
Patch

=Korg T3 Bank A
Key[0,9]=Korg T3 Drums
Key[1,9]=Korg T3 Drums
Drum[0,9]=1
Drum[1,9]=1


Thanks,
Ken

Ken,
Dunno if your e-mail address at home is the same as work, so,
mine is col1 at hotmail dot com.

Looks like we are moving in the right direction.

Can you make a track on Sonar with a few notes,
and put the program change in it, and the Bank change.
and a few more notes. Then try it.

What happens? what do you hear? Can you get the T3 to respond to
Program changes from Sonar? If so, what, and how.

Can you also send me the .ins def you are using, so we're talking from the
same Hymn sheet.

BTW - Where abouts are you located?

Regards,
Colin.

I tried that email but I got an "prohibited by administrator" message and the email wouldn't go through. Do you have another address?

Ken
Florida USA

Ken,

This ones a little harder, than the col1@....... address.

It's colin dot bates2 at ntlworld dot com

where the dot is a period and the at is the at symbol.

Hope this one works.

Regards,
Colin.

I sent it. Thanks for having a look at this.

Ken