Ken,

Got the pages, Thanks.

Having skipped through them, I'm a little puzzled.

The T3 supposedly has two Banks of sounds? A and B?
However, their doesn't appear to be a Bank List ( a list of the
127 different sounds you can have in a single Bank).
What is the difference between Bank A, and Bank B?

Does Sonar play back a midi file and the T3 responds? what does it do? and
what does it not do?

Can you send a midi file to the T3 and change the patch being used on the
T3? Does it change the patch?

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm trying to understand this problem
never having seen a T3.

Can you send me the .INS file you are using. I'm out all day
today, but I'll work on it when I get home.

Regards,
Colin.

Hi Colin,

I'm as puzzled as you. The T3 patches are stored in banks of 100 each. There are 2 banks (A & B) and there is an additional bank for storing 100 "combis". These are combinations of up to eight patches that you can set up to respond on individual MIDI channels, to note, controller, program and other midi events. This is how I have my T3 set for multi track sequencing. BTW, the sound list I sent is actually a list of the waveforms that are available for creating patches and drum kits (not the patches themseves). And the T3 is not GM compliant, at all.

If I play a midi file from Sonar to the T3 (in combi mode), each T3 track will respond to the incoming midi data from the Sonar track who's midi channel matches it. When a program and/or bank change is received by a track on the T3, it will change patches but not banks. For example, If i send a message to switch to bank B, patch #25, it will go to bank A, patch 25.

BTW, did you notice that on page 140, in the lower right (under program change), the footnotes say that "Data beyond value of 99 are assigned a new value by subtracting 100. Ex. 100=>00, 127=>27". Is this an indication that the T3 uses patch 100 as it's bank select method? That would be contrary to what Korg tech support told me (then 3 different techs gave 3 different answers) .

I will send you the ins file when I get home today.

Regards,

Ken

ORIGINAL: madmix

BTW, did you notice that on page 140, in the lower right (under program change), the footnotes say that "Data beyond value of 99 are assigned a new value by subtracting 100. Ex. 100=>00, 127=>27". Is this an indication that the T3 uses patch 100 as it's bank select method? That would be contrary to what Korg tech support told me (then 3 different techs gave 3 different answers) .

Hi Ken:
No. The Patch 100... select method is other history. It´s used in any instruments for assign banks using the 100-127 Control Change range (normally for the drums banks). The Korg info wich tell you about CC0 and CC32 is the correct info.
Greetings.

On Edit: have you received the instrument definition for the T3 I sent to your E-Mail? If yes, compare it with the Korg info and get your conclusions (I hope it´s the same I got).

Hi Juca,

I got the ins file that you sent. Thank you. The Korg info about the bank select method was different from 3 different people that I spoke with (they can't all be right ). Well I tried the file before because this was the one I tried when I first installed Sonar. It didn't work, nor did the ones I got from the cakewalk FTP.

I am working with one of the guys from our Post Audio dept. (he's really into MIDI and he is sending me an XML file from Pro-Tools for the T3). We will keep experimenting and I might bring my synth into work and see if we can get it to work here.

I'll keep you posted.

Ken

Well, guys I spoke with Korg support for the 4th time and after a number of attempts to get this working, the guy did some research for me. Unfortunately, when he called me back he said that the first Korg synth to do bank switching in multi mode is the "O" series. I figured a work around though. I created a combi with each odd # track set to the A bank and the even # tracks set to the B bank. This should work, as the T3 does do the program changes.

Thanks for all your help guys, I wish the outcome could have been better.

Ken

Hi Ken:
I have been using Korg for a while now, and I always use this basic method to change bank and patch:
1. step record a note at where to want to change B and P.
2. open the event list.
3. move the cursor to where it says Note (under Kind)
4. press the + sign, you will have a window drop down.
5. choose Patch change
6. instead of Note now it says Patch.
7. at the next colum, Key now becomes Normal
8. move the cursor to where velocity should be (next to Normal to the right), and enter the Bank number, from 0 to 3, 0 for A, 1 for B, 2 for C and 3 for D.
9. move the cursor to where Length should be (on the right and at the last position of the row) and enter your patch number from 0 to 127.

Example:
A normal event looks like this:
Kind Data
Note C3 80 1:00

Now should be:
Kind Data
Patch Normal 0 127

(bank A. patch 127)
Sincerely.

Ken,

Apologies for the delay in replying, but work got in the way.

I've been looking at this with my N1R which isn't quite the same,
but Korg's midi implementation has evolved over the years,
normally as extra function built on the existing (at least it
seems that way).

My N1R works the same way as Dan describes it.........
A Normal Sonar Patch entry in the events list, sends a Bank Chnge,
then a Program change, and it works.

If I send a Bank change only (Not possible they way Dan describes your entry,
my Korg just sits there doin nuthin. If the next data it recieves is a note,
then the N1R ignores the Bank Change, but if the next data is a Patch change
(even if it changes the patch umber to the same number) it changes Banks.

See if this will work for you.

Regards,
Colin.

Hi all:
Same here with the X5/DR. But you can take note of the system exclusive messages (short messages of course) wich the T3 generate when you change from one bank to the other, name it rightly, insert it in your Normal.tpl each one in one Sysex bank (0 and 1, in your case) and to save the Normal.tpl file.
So, when you need change the bank, simply insert the correspendent Sysex bank before of the measure where you need the change and a Program Change in the exact position where the change will take effect. Not simple as a normal bank change procedure, but work. My Proteus 1/XR have the same problem and I use this way of work.
Greetings.

PS - All this if the Korg tech info isn´t wrong as the other ....

I was looking through the Sound Quest website and found that their MidiQuest software has a T3 module with a combi editor. Now I know that it can be used in conjunction with Sonar, so I plan on trying the demo to see if this may be an alternative. But the question remains... if MidiQuest can get the T3 to do the bank change in combi mode (otherwise how would their combi editor work?), then the T3 must be able to respond to bank changes in combi mode...

...more to come .

Ken

Ken:
This can be a good test. Take a look and see if Midiquest use Bank Change or Sysxex commands and tell us about.
Good luck!