I use Sibelius 7 and Sonar X1 expanded. Having always used both products for ever, most of my work is for educational products that are used in schools.  The scores can be simple children's songs to full orchestral, hence the use of both products.
I just score in Sibelius and export it as a MIDI file then import into Sonar later. Since all of my templates are set up ready, I import the midi file and off I go.
In my opinion, one must realise that Sibelius is NOT a DAW and Sonar is NOT a notation programme. I wish Sonar would just omit the notation application completely in the next update and update some of the aging 32 bit plugins that seems to have been around forever. Its staff view is just dead weight as far as I'm concerned.
This is just my humble opinion. 
Have a good weekend, I off to celebrate the Queens  Diamond Jubilee  (60 yrs on the throne).  A good excuse for a few extra beers.  
 

In my opinion, one must realise that Sibelius is NOT a DAW and Sonar is NOT a notation programme. I wish Sonar would just omit the notation application completely in the next update and update some of the aging 32 bit plugins that seems to have been around forever. Its staff view is just dead weight as far as I'm concerned. This is just my humble opinion.

Just the way Cubase did and Logic too, right?

this issue is a perfect example of "you just can't please everybody".

FullChordMusic

In my opinion, one must realise that Sibelius is NOT a DAW and Sonar is NOT a notation programme. I wish Sonar would just omit the notation application completely in the next update and update some of the aging 32 bit plugins that seems to have been around forever. Its staff view is just dead weight as far as I'm concerned.

 

Sonar is a DAW that has notation editing that is inferior and needs improvement.   I use Sibelius for what notation programs are for.  I use Sonar for what DAWs are for and need tools equal to Pro Tools Cubase, Logic etc...  Unlike you I don't wish others to do without tools just because I don't need them.  

Ah, the never ending loop.

I would like it if the SV was actually updated myself, but I am not going to hold my breath and do foot stomps about it not getting updated either....

trimph1


Ah, the never ending loop.

I would like it if the SV was actually updated myself, but I am not going to hold my breath and do foot stomps about it not getting updated either....

Foot stomps just might do the job. LOL It used to when I was 3.

I find it incredible that anyone can be opposed to this. I don't see how it would impact those that never use the Staff view. For those that don't want it improved or would want it removed how is it a factor to you no matter what is done with it? I just don't get it.

I am also so tired of anyone saying get another program to do what should be done in X1. A separate notation program is not a solution and never will be.

What if those of us asked for the Piano Roll be removed in favor of a full featured Staff view would that be fine with you? We are not asking for any feature or ability to be removed we are simply asking for a long standing feature be updated.

BTW I am all for a full feature Staff view not just a few improvements. As I and so many others have pointed out Logic and Cubase have done this. Their notation is on par with Sibelius. They can even print their scores without problems. Imagine that!

Sounds like they should bake up a paid, dockable add on for those really interested in a fully functional notation solution. That is a lot of designing and coding, thus the high price of other pro notation software. I'd pay for it if it was an option. As far as what is included with X1... yeah, it's a little clunky but it seems to mostly work. I think I'll be able to make use of it. Definitely could use some tweaks though. The way the notes look all weird when making chords on the staff is a little annoying and the guitar chord graph is... uh bizarre. You punch in a standard chord manually and it makes some weird bendy acid trip image. Very strange. Inputting and editing notes is pretty strange too but once I read the manual on how it's supposed to be done it's not too hard. Meh... just some first impressions from a n00b.

Beepster


Sounds like they should bake up a paid, dockable add on for those really interested in a fully functional notation solution. That is a lot of designing and coding, thus the high price of other pro notation software. I'd pay for it if it was an option. As far as what is included with X1... yeah, it's a little clunky but it seems to mostly work. I think I'll be able to make use of it. Definitely could use some tweaks though. The way the notes look all weird when making chords on the staff is a little annoying and the guitar chord graph is... uh bizarre. You punch in a standard chord manually and it makes some weird bendy acid trip image. Very strange. Inputting and editing notes is pretty strange too but once I read the manual on how it's supposed to be done it's not too hard. Meh... just some first impressions from a n00b.

Notation has been in Sonar from the beginning. It goes way back before Sonar, before looping, before audio snap. It was in Pro 8  and Pro Audio 9. So its part of the program an I would be really upset if it became an option.

Well I mean fix up the existing version a bit so it's not so wonky but many here seem to want some super high end stuff out of staff view. As I said that stuff ain't easy to come up with (I know because I'm currently trying to develop something similar for guitar) and X1 is dirt cheap as it is. So yeah... fix up the basic version and offer a high end add on. That way the included staff view is easy and functional for us regular schlubs and then power users have an option to upgrade to something more powerful. Nothing would be lost but there would be an option for those who rely heavily on notation. Heck... they could get one of the big notation software companies to write it for them. Knowaddimean?

Man, that Cubase staff view is looking really nice . . . really like the one in DP too. Apparently developed with Howard Shore during the whole LOTR thing. I'm hoping sonar does update it down the road. I really like sonar, especially X1. It's a vast improvement over previous versions--to me at least. I know some prefer older versions.