vintagevibe

keith




Then all of those lost souls holding out hope that SV will be improved in the future can move on w/ their lives, and all of those continuously typing "if you need notation than use Finale or Sibelius" can save themselves some typing....

Those typing "if you need notation than use Finale or Sibelius" have absolutely no clue what notation in a DAW is for. I suspect you are equally clueless.  Why do clueless people who think buying loops makes them a composer enter in discussoins they don't understand?
 

Amen brother!
 
I guess they don't get the fact that those programs cost money. I would gladly pay cakewalk the money over those for better SV. It would be much EASIER to use just one program instead of going back and forth. Some people just need to get a clue.

i find it hilarious that someone started a new thread to continue the exact same argument as if a second thread of the same rhetoric makes it any different. i think there is terrible misunderstanding on both sides. Based on what has been posted, Finale or Sibelius will not give those with staff view complaints what they wish would be included within Sonar. Point taken. On the other hand, the idea that Sonar has become a loop based/dj tool is absurd too. In that realm, programs like Ableton, Logic and Cubase rule wit ha nod to FL studio, Reason and Reaper. Forums for music genres that utilize loops, samples and such on a regular basis hardly mention Sonar. It's not that Sonar is not capable. It's just not seen as intuitive in the same way these other programs are in that arena. So those accusations are just as far off. Sonar's versatility will always be it's weakness to those who rely heavily on more specific features. The staff composer type will not likely find full satisfaction. The hip-hop/dance/top 40 producer is not going to find instant satisfaction either. Sonar works for me because my needs are all over the place. When I am working with classical, i do find myself wishing Sonar ws more powerful with staff view. When I have a client that needs hip-hop, i wish it had a sampler along the lines of Kontakt or a drum sampler like battery. At the end of the day, I find myself grateful that it does so much at it's price point and I get a lot of bang for my buck.

Nice post, dubdisciple.   I feel very much the sam way.   SONAR's Staff View really isn't what it should (or could) be, period.  But then again, neither is the Matrix View.   It's the fact that it has both (and much much more) that makes it a winner IMHO.
 
So here's to improving what we've got!  A little something for everyone.

Jack of all trades, master of none it is then.

  I'm not sure I would go to that condescending extreme It depends on what one uses Sonar for. there are certainly working professionals that find Sonar perfect for what they do and would find this conversation odd. The third party plugin-market would not exist if there was a DAW that was the undisputed master for every usage. I think it's fair to say that companies that focus on one very narrow thing tend to get damn good at it versus companies that are multipurpose. A high end integrated stereo system by the likes of Bose is quite good and many would consist them a master of that particular niche even though someone could find examples of each component that some other company did better. Perhaps cakewalk's "mastery" is providing a multipurpose tool that can be built upon by those who need more in particular areas.

FYI, I was being somewhat fecitious with the last comment. Other than very narrow and specialized tools, I don't think any of the DAWS are masters of anything. They are just the most widely adopted option for the moment. It's evolving technology. when someone masters any of this stuff, there will likely be be little debate until the next technical leap occurs.

Guitarpima

vintagevibe

keith




Then all of those lost souls holding out hope that SV will be improved in the future can move on w/ their lives, and all of those continuously typing "if you need notation than use Finale or Sibelius" can save themselves some typing....

Those typing "if you need notation than use Finale or Sibelius" have absolutely no clue what notation in a DAW is for. I suspect you are equally clueless.  Why do clueless people who think buying loops makes them a composer enter in discussoins they don't understand?
 

Amen brother!
 
I guess they don't get the fact that those programs cost money. I would gladly pay cakewalk the money over those for better SV. It would be much EASIER to use just one program instead of going back and forth. Some people just need to get a clue.

Maybe you two should use the search button before jumping to conclusions and calling people "clueless". My opinion on the matter is very clear for all of those who choose not to jump to conclusions simply based on off-handed remarks.

keith

Guitarpima

vintagevibe

keith




Then all of those lost souls holding out hope that SV will be improved in the future can move on w/ their lives, and all of those continuously typing "if you need notation than use Finale or Sibelius" can save themselves some typing....

Those typing "if you need notation than use Finale or Sibelius" have absolutely no clue what notation in a DAW is for. I suspect you are equally clueless.  Why do clueless people who think buying loops makes them a composer enter in discussoins they don't understand?
 

Amen brother!

I guess they don't get the fact that those programs cost money. I would gladly pay cakewalk the money over those for better SV. It would be much EASIER to use just one program instead of going back and forth. Some people just need to get a clue.

Maybe you two should use the search button before jumping to conclusions and calling people "clueless". My opinion on the matter is very clear for all of those who choose not to jump to conclusions simply based on off-handed remarks.

Your "opinion" is you don't care one way or the other so why bother posting anything? Some of "do care" about the staff view. If you want to contribute to the discussion, pointless or not, then do so.
Have a nice day and I hope you make some really nice recordings.

I am new to Cakewalk products, and Sonar X1 Essentials was my product of choice. I have used Cubase SE previously. This may seem silly after reading some opinions regarding Staff View for music composition. My issue is the positioning of notation on the Staff. I have found that as long as I avoid entering dotted eighths and sixteenth et smaller values, the typesetting placement is fine. When using them, dotted eighths appear as a quarters and sixteenths appear as eighths and may snap to another position entirely. Yes, Grid Snap is set to 1/16. Visually, it seems X1 does not handle smaller note placement at all. I consider Piano Roll View cumbersome to work with. My point is that regardless of what people prefer, the music notation typesetting of the Staff View does not work as it should. If I printed sheet music that way, my career as a printer would be brief. As for Sonar X1, I have encountered some of the many problems mentioned. It's reliability is questionable, and Bus settings are occasionally found to be changed upon the next opening of a file. I am a hobbyist and I appreciate that cheaper versions will not be perfect. But, I like the program overall despite some hiccups. Additionally, my computer is a general purpose computer, not a machine dedicated to music production. I have been taking printed gospel songs and putting them to music. I do not have a very good grip on MIDI channel relationships, bus arrangements, etc. X1 has been a work in progress for me, but I'm making headway.

I wonder if the rumours about digital performer on windows are true? That could be a viable option in regards to notation /video work..

I hope cake give us a nice surprise in furure versions of X1