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  • SONAR X2 AND VST3 TECHNOLOGY ,I can not understand!!!!! (p.3)
2013/02/12 15:16:27
Beepster
Right on. Thanks for the insight guys. It's not a big deal because only the first core is really spiking (and it still stays under 50%). The rest are just barely registering so I've got lots of breathing room. I'm glad I found out about that module. I was always worried what was going on in the background and my stupid ASUS hardware monitor is a POS so being able to see what's happening right in the Control Bar puts my mind at ease.

Cheers. Hope you're all having a good day.
2013/02/12 15:16:45
sharke
CakeAlexS


Its normal. No different from outboard equipment. When you press stop for instance your reverbs will not stop.

Apparently not normal in VST3, I guess each plugin sends a message to the daw to request that it is turned off or on. The daw would have too manage this sort of thing, code would be quite complex methinks

Yeah, something like:


if (Playback == 0)
    For (i=0; i<numVSTs; i++)
         VST(i).status = 0; 


I'm almost 100% sure that's what the code would look like
2013/02/12 15:18:07
chuckebaby
Bub


New code, more stability, more reliability, more features, more creative possibilities, it's FREE to developers.

Yeah, I can understand why Cakewalk hates it.

seems the other way around to me bub  :)
 
like adding another wrench in to the code cabinet.
 
in my opinion sonar has been adding on to their code for many releases now.
x1 may have been a big re write but still the founding code.
im not sure a new code mixed with the old code is all that easy to do.
 
im with you all the way on hopefully seeing this in the future,soon future even.
 
from another angle i look at like this(this part has nothing to do with you)
 
i see some users who have bought some very expensive plug ins and when they realize they cant get their full potential out of these plug ins unless they have vst3 they hit the roof and get upset.
mean while if they did get those plug ins with the notion sonar will be vst 3 on this release so im going to get them.
shame on them.sonar hasnt put out any info even hinting towards vst 3.
but if they dont look at it soon,they're going to be left behind in the technology department catalog under "V" for vst 3.
2013/02/12 15:19:25
sharke
chuckebaby


Bub


New code, more stability, more reliability, more features, more creative possibilities, it's FREE to developers.

Yeah, I can understand why Cakewalk hates it.

seems the other way around to me bub  :)
 
like adding another wrench in to the code cabinet.
 
in my opinion sonar has been adding on to their code for many releases now.
x1 may have been a big re write but still the founding code.
im not sure a new code mixed with the old code is all that easy to do.
 
im with you all the way on hopefully seeing this in the future,soon future even.
 
from another angle i look at like this(this part has nothing to do with you)
 
i seesome users who have bought some very expensive plug ins and when they realize they cant get their full potential out of these plug ins unless they have vst3 they hot the roof and get upset.
mean while if they did get those plug ins with the notion sonar will be vst 3 on this release so im going to get them.
shame on them.sonar hasnt put out any info even hinting towards vst 3.
but if they dont look at it soon,they're going to be left behind in the technology department catalog under "V" for vst 3.
I'm guessing Sonar has never been rewritten and is still teetering on code that still exists from it's DOS days. 
A bit like Quickbooks really. 


2013/02/12 15:20:36
Bub
Man, I could have swore there was a setting to shut off the audio engine when you hit stop, but I can't find it. Must have imagined it.
2013/02/12 15:24:18
backwoods
"I'm guessing Sonar has never been rewritten and is still teetering on code that still exists from it's DOS days.  A bit like Quickbooks really.  "

Like all the fully functioning DAWs- Logic, Samplitude, ProTools, Digital Performer, Cubase. 

I wouldn't say Sonar is "teetering" at all.





2013/02/12 15:24:59
Bub
sharke


chuckebaby


Bub


New code, more stability, more reliability, more features, more creative possibilities, it's FREE to developers.

Yeah, I can understand why Cakewalk hates it.

seems the other way around to me bub  :)

like adding another wrench in to the code cabinet.

in my opinion sonar has been adding on to their code for many releases now.
x1 may have been a big re write but still the founding code.
im not sure a new code mixed with the old code is all that easy to do.

im with you all the way on hopefully seeing this in the future,soon future even.

from another angle i look at like this(this part has nothing to do with you)

i seesome users who have bought some very expensive plug ins and when they realize they cant get their full potential out of these plug ins unless they have vst3 they hot the roof and get upset.
mean while if they did get those plug ins with the notion sonar will be vst 3 on this release so im going to get them.
shame on them.sonar hasnt put out any info even hinting towards vst 3.
but if they dont look at it soon,they're going to be left behind in the technology department catalog under "V" for vst 3.
I'm guessing Sonar has never been rewritten and is still teetering on code that still exists from it's DOS days. 
A bit like Quickbooks really.
I believe that to be the case. The last official word I remember reading on it was that X1 was 8.5 with an updated GUI and some new workflow features.

I don't know how much had to be altered, but they did update the Engine. It now supports 384kHz, it only supported 192kHz prior to X2. But I don't know how much work it was to do that.
2013/02/12 15:26:40
Bub
backwoods

"I'm guessing Sonar has never been rewritten and is still teetering on code that still exists from it's DOS days.  A bit like Quickbooks really.  "

Like all the fully functioning DAWs- Logic, Samplitude, ProTools, Digital Performer, Cubase. 

I wouldn't say Sonar is "teetering" at all.
And the ones that are most stable have been re-written, or are new code.

Reaper ... Studio One.

BTW ... I checked, Studio One supports VST3's.

... and ... it comes with the Tube Sat Knob for free. ;)
2013/02/12 15:41:45
sharke
backwoods


"I'm guessing Sonar has never been rewritten and is still teetering on code that still exists from it's DOS days.  A bit like Quickbooks really.  "

Like all the fully functioning DAWs- Logic, Samplitude, ProTools, Digital Performer, Cubase. 

I wouldn't say Sonar is "teetering" at all.

Well perhaps "teetering" is a rather dramatic word. But if Cakewalk had unlimited time and money, do you really think they'd look at all of that old code and think "nope, there is absolutely nothing we could do to improve this in the context of a modern 2013 system"? I'm not saying Sonar is unique is this, because ALL well established software is full of old code. I have no doubt that there are collections of 0's and 1's in the latest version of Photoshop that are untouched from the first version. 
2013/02/12 15:44:13
backwoods
Yes, that's right mate. In the perfect world we would have the perfect DAW.
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