It also doesn't look good that Adobe Audition, the same Adobe audition that has only recently made any major changes from it's Cool Edit days even supports VST3 now . Audition VST support has always been crap. if they can do it, so can Cakewalk

Nope business folks don't understand technology. It really isn't that hard to understand how a business works. It is however extremely hard to understand technology fully. Requires a lot of time and effort. Do you honestly think technologists don't understand what needs and requirements are? They spend their whole life listening to people moaning on and on at people who think they know better.

IT people have actually been trained in business information systems for quite some time now. They understand business.  Sadly a lot of business people think it is not down to them to understand the world of IT. Merely it is their job to issue the demands, stand back and when IT can't deliver say they are too nerdy for the real world. Sorry but that is total and utter bollocks. Every IT person knows the customer is king, but they also know the customer does not know the difference between a paper plane and a jet airline. Before you issue demands you have to understand the full picture inside and out.

PS rant over. The point was to state the technical level matters hugely. It might not to the customer but when it comes to making the bloody product it is pretty much everything. I feel better now.

I don't usually join in on such fun and productive threads like this, but I thought to myself:
 
How do we know Cakewalk isn't, right now, working hard  to implement this (and other improvements) into the next version?
Most of us users have no real clue what this would entail since we're not programmers.
 
And as it's often been said, if there's a "must have" feature Sonar doesn't have, then use the one that has it.
 
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CakeAlexS


Nope business folks don't understand technology. It really isn't that hard to understand how a business works. It is however extremely hard to understand technology fully. Requires a lot of time and effort. Do you honestly think technologists don't understand what needs and requirements are? They spend their whole life listening to people moaning on and on at people who think they know better.

IT people have actually been trained in business information systems for quite some time now. They understand business.  Sadly a lot of business people think it is not down to them to understand the world of IT. Merely it is their job to issue the demands, stand back and when IT can't deliver say they are too nerdy for the real world. Sorry but that is total and utter bollocks. Every IT person knows the customer is king, but they also know the customer does not know the difference between a paper plane and a jet airline. Before you issue demands you have to understand the full picture inside and out.

I wish I understood what that was all about. 

John

CakeAlexS

Nope business folks don't understand technology. It really isn't that hard to understand how a business works. It is however extremely hard to understand technology fully. Requires a lot of time and effort. Do you honestly think technologists don't understand what needs and requirements are? They spend their whole life listening to people moaning on and on at people who think they know better.

IT people have actually been trained in business information systems for quite some time now. They understand business.  Sadly a lot of business people think it is not down to them to understand the world of IT. Merely it is their job to issue the demands, stand back and when IT can't deliver say they are too nerdy for the real world. Sorry but that is total and utter bollocks. Every IT person knows the customer is king, but they also know the customer does not know the difference between a paper plane and a jet airline. Before you issue demands you have to understand the full picture inside and out.

I wish I understood what that was all about.

So does Alex.

LOL!

John


If Waves chooses to use VST 3 to have this ability that is on them. 

But if you are a Waves owner and you want side chaining in a WAVES plug that is ONLY available thru VST 3 while using SONAR, will Waves make changes for "us" since other DAWs support VST3? I think not.


Sorry John but that is truly a laughable argument for those that want Waves VST3 side chaining in SONAR.


JMO.

bapu

John


If Waves chooses to use VST 3 to have this ability that is on them. 

But if you are a Waves owner and you want side chaining in a WAVES plug that is ONLY available thru VST 3 while using SONAR, will Waves make changes for "us" since other DAWs support VST3? I think not.


Sorry John but that is truly a laughable argument for those that want Waves VST3 side chaining in SONAR.


JMO.

Of course that is self evident. But they didn't have to do that either. There is no reason to use VST 3 for a feature that can be done with VST 2.4. 

And again I have no problem with CW adding VST 3 support. I'm in no rush that does not mean I don't want my fellow members to get it as soon as possible. 

The bakers are busy on Sonar X3, which will have VST3, custom colors and a whole new staff view! Yay!

We'll have to find something new to argue about then. I'm voting for the shape of the buttons...

Regards,
Dan

The answer is simple why Cakewalk added VST 3 to the Ca2a - to make money and sell it as a 3rd party vendor to other DAW users on it's own merits! The fact that Cakewalk doesn't support may appear slightly hypocritical but these plugins allow side chain in Sonar so CW still really doesn't feel the need to implement it and destabilize a very stable platform.   Agreed however that new technologies should be embraced early in their cycle and incorporated.   I still use vocal rider and although many people seem to think it is nt useful without side-chaining it to the whole mix,  it works very well to level the vocals out in relation to itself.