And just to be clear it does Select the whole clip when I copy the notes but once I drop them the clip is deselected and there is only the Range of where I dropped the notes selected. Is this only happening in one project, sharke? I've had projects go all wonk on me as far as selection issues. It's an enormous problem with X2.

You probably need to shrink the clip down to a length that just includes the Midi events.

Right click it and select "Apply Trimming"

Beepster

Firing up the rig now to try but one thing that comes to mind is some of the odd selection behavior in X2. I have made it a habit to constantly press Ctrl + Shift + A (Select None) before making any editing moves. Sounds like that might be causing your problem.

Gonna try it out now though.

That bit me the other night. I was highlighting some clips and chopping them up, and I even made sure nothing else was selected, and sure enough, I was chopping up everything in the project. I'm sure that's gotta be fixed in the next update. That's a bad one.

Bub

Beepster

Firing up the rig now to try but one thing that comes to mind is some of the odd selection behavior in X2. I have made it a habit to constantly press Ctrl + Shift + A (Select None) before making any editing moves. Sounds like that might be causing your problem.

Gonna try it out now though.

That bit me the other night. I was highlighting some clips and chopping them up, and I even made sure nothing else was selected, and sure enough, I was chopping up everything in the project. I'm sure that's gotta be fixed in the next update. That's a bad one.

Sometimes it doesn't matter what you do. Clips just somehow get linked randomly and you can do jack to them without it effecting the other tracks. Sometimes you can go through the entire project while holding Ctrl and deselecting but when it starts happening I just lock all the other clips. It's a real piss off and I'm not sure why there aren't more complaints about it or why it wasn't mentioned in the X2a fixes. Doesn't happen all the time but once it gets into a project it refuses to go away. MIDI, Audio... doesn't matter.

But as I said... locking down everything else works and that's probably a good habit to get into anyway. It just makes it's next to impossible to screw something up.

sharke


OK:

1) Record a bar's worth of MIDI notes (e.g. 4 kick notes)


2) Extend the resultant clip to 2 bars and open it in the PRV


3) In the PRV, lasso all of the notes. Don't lasso over the clip boundary. 


Does doing so select the entire clip in the clips pane? NO - just the range encompassing the start & end points of the selected notes are highlighted on my system

It does for me. And when I try to paste those notes into the empty part of the clip, it creates a whole new clip on top of the first one. 


Now try selecting all of the notes but one. When I do that, the only part of the clip that appears selected in the clip pane, is the part that encompasses the notes I selected. It doesn't select the whole clip. And when I paste those notes into the empty part of the clip, it just pastes the notes without creating a new clip. 


Hope that makes sense - I typed it on my phone :)

Thanks for all your help everyone, I appreciate it. However, I'm still not sure that I've explained the situation clearly (I find it hard to put computer operations into words sometimes) so I'm going to try a demonstration with pictures this time! Let me know what you think:

In this first image, observe the clip in the clip pane. It's 2 bars long and the 2nd bar is empty. What I want to do is copy the notes in the first bar to the second bar. As you can see, I'm selecting all of the notes in the PRV. My selection doesn't overlap the clip boundary in any way: 





In this next image, you can see the result of this selection in the clips pane. The whole of the clip is selected:





Now let's try again, but only selecting some of the notes:






As you can see in the next image, the entire clip is not selected. Only the part of the clip that encompasses the selected notes is highlighted:






Because only the notes are selected and not the entire clip, I can paste these copied notes elsewhere in the clip without a new clip being created and overlaid on top of the first clip. 

So the behavior I'm getting is that when I select all of the notes in a clip, Sonar selects the entire clip as a unit. When I select just some of the clips, Sonar will just select those notes, and highlight only the part of the clip that the notes encompass. 

I hope this is clear now. If you aren't seeing this on your system, it has to be a setting that I have somewhere, although I just can't seem to find anything it might be. I really need to get to the bottom of this!

I just checked it Sharke, it does the same thing here in regards to when it highlights the entire clip, and just part of it.

If I Lasso all the notes, it highlights the entire clip and turns it gray.

If I Lasso a few notes, it only shades the area of the clip where I selected the notes.

I tried to copy and paste all the notes to the end, and it extended the clip.

I tried to copy and paste some of the notes to the end, and it extended the clip.

I right clicked on the clip and made it a Groove Clip and selected all of the notes, pasted them, and it made a second clip.

I right clicked on the clip and made it a Groove Clip and selected some of the notes, pasted them, and it made a second clip, only shorter.

Making the clip a Groove Clip is the only way I can duplicate your problem of a second clip being created.

dupe

sorry,i may have jumped the gun.
the issue im finding is this.
when using contr +c to copy a string of notes in a clip.
pasting those notes somewhere else is also pasting the clip lenth along with it.
which in turn is adding a whole new layer along with your paste.

Bub


I just checked it Sharke, it does the same thing here in regards to when it highlights the entire clip, and just part of it.

If I Lasso all the notes, it highlights the entire clip and turns it gray.

If I Lasso a few notes, it only shades the area of the clip where I selected the notes.

I tried to copy and paste all the notes to the end, and it extended the clip.

I tried to copy and paste some of the notes to the end, and it extended the clip.

I right clicked on the clip and made it a Groove Clip and selected all of the notes, pasted them, and it made a second clip.

I right clicked on the clip and made it a Groove Clip and selected some of the notes, pasted them, and it made a second clip, only shorter.

Making the clip a Groove Clip is the only way I can duplicate your problem of a second clip being created.

Thanks for trying that out Bub. A couple of things:


In the first case, when you tried to copy all of the notes into the second half of the clip, why would it extend the clip? The notes in question (in my diagram anyway) are no longer than one bar long, so pasting them into the second bar shouldn't extend the clip any longer than it is. 


Also, if selecting all of the notes results in the entire clip being selected, I don't see how that wouldn't result in a whole new clip being created when you paste them. After all, when you hit CTRL-C to copy the notes at that point, it copies whatever the selection is. And at that point, the whole clip is selected. So this is what should happen:


1) You select all of the notes
2) The whole clip is selected (as shown above)
3) You hit CTRL-C to copy the notes
4) The current selection, which is the whole clip, is copied to the clipboard
5) You hit CTRL-V and the whole clip is pasted.