chuckebaby


already put a bug report in on this sharkey.
for now just try and hold CNTR+ C and drag to copy that way.

I know this is little help when the paste needs to be 20 measures away
but i know exactly what your talking about.

Thanks for that, at least I know I'm not going crazy! So, a possible bug then? Yep CTRL+C and drag works great....I was just worried that I had something selected somewhere in the options that shouldn't be. 

i re-edited my post- just confirm thats it,
if it is- then they've been notified.
sorry for your troubles holmes.

if its any consolation prize,its bum'in me out to.

im even more apologetic i didnt get here sooner so you didnt have to go through this intriquete discription.
when i read the title i knew exactly what you were talking about.
 
nice work on the photo lay out,i may try and attach the link to this thread  to my original report as youve made a spectacular diagram.

chuckebaby


i re-edited my post- just confirm thats it,
if it is- then they've been notified.
sorry for your troubles holmes.

if its any consolation prize,its bum'in me out to.

im even more apologetic i didnt get here sooner so you didnt have to go through this intriquete discription.
when i read the title i knew exactly what you were talking about.
 
nice work on the photo lay out,i may try and attach the link to this thread  to my original report as youve made a spectacular diagram.

The trouble is that it's really hard to explain stuff like this without being too verbose. You read your explanation back and it makes sense to you because you know exactly what you mean, but to someone else it could mean something a little bit different. 


Thanks, and thanks everyone else for pitching in. Bub, I'm going to have to investigate Groove Clip behavior because that's something I'm not also not up to scratch on. 


If this is a bug, I'm guessing that it's been introduced relatively recently because I've never heard anyone mention it before. 

sharke

Bub


I just checked it Sharke, it does the same thing here in regards to when it highlights the entire clip, and just part of it.

If I Lasso all the notes, it highlights the entire clip and turns it gray.

If I Lasso a few notes, it only shades the area of the clip where I selected the notes.

I tried to copy and paste all the notes to the end, and it extended the clip.

I tried to copy and paste some of the notes to the end, and it extended the clip.

I right clicked on the clip and made it a Groove Clip and selected all of the notes, pasted them, and it made a second clip.

I right clicked on the clip and made it a Groove Clip and selected some of the notes, pasted them, and it made a second clip, only shorter.

Making the clip a Groove Clip is the only way I can duplicate your problem of a second clip being created.

Thanks for trying that out Bub. A couple of things:


In the first case, when you tried to copy all of the notes into the second half of the clip, why would it extend the clip? The notes in question (in my diagram anyway) are no longer than one bar long, so pasting them into the second bar shouldn't extend the clip any longer than it is. 


Also, if selecting all of the notes results in the entire clip being selected, I don't see how that wouldn't result in a whole new clip being created when you paste them. After all, when you hit CTRL-C to copy the notes at that point, it copies whatever the selection is. And at that point, the whole clip is selected. So this is what should happen:


1) You select all of the notes
2) The whole clip is selected (as shown above)
3) You hit CTRL-C to copy the notes
4) The current selection, which is the whole clip, is copied to the clipboard
5) You hit CTRL-V and the whole clip is pasted.

Ah!

I don't use Copy/Paste Ctrl-C/V.

I Lasso the notes, hold Ctrl and drag them.

I've never used Copy/Paste to do what you're doing. Not saying that's wrong, but that's not how I do it. Just goes to show how much of an effect workflow has on these kinds of things!

Excellent!

It seems to me, if you use your method of Ctrl-C/V ... what your seeing is how it should work.

It is interesting that when I make it a Groove Clip that I see the same results using Alt/Drag as you do on regular clips using Copy/Paste.

Cool! :)

The wife is nagging me to go to bed so I have to sign off now. I'll check back tomorrow to see how things are going. I've been getting in to midi a lot more lately and I'm very curious to see how this turns out.

Goodnight.

Bub.

BTW ... I tried it using copy/paste, and yes, it creates a new clip every time.

Lassoing and using Ctrl/drag does not create a new clip.

1st - Not sure how you're getting a clip with 1/2 of it empty like that. A clip should only be as long as the notes in it.

2nd - You can "Bounce To Clips" to shrinkwrap it first, then copy & paste it to the next measure.

3rd - Try Ctrl+Alt+V and select the area in red below:


 
This last one is achange in behavior from previous versions so it caught me off guard at first.
 

soens


1st - Not sure how you're getting a clip with 1/2 of it empty like that. A clip should only be as long as the notes in it.

2nd - You can "Bounce To Clips" to shrinkwrap it first, then copy & paste it to the next measure.

3rd - Try Ctrl+Alt+V and select the area in red below:


 
This last one is achange in behavior from previous versions so it caught me off guard at first.
 

It's pretty easy to end up with a clip that's half empty! Just imagine you have a 4 bar drum pattern and you delete the notes bars 3 + 4. 
I'm hip to the idea of doing what I was doing differently (and indeed CTRL-C dragging the notes was probably the easiest way to begin with) but I just thought the behavior I described was odd, and indeed it seems to be a bug. Sometimes on the spur of the moment in the midst of a frantic flow of editing, you do things a little differently. 

Bub


It seems to me, if you use your method of Ctrl-C/V ... what your seeing is how it should work.

The odd thing, to me, was in the selection behavior, which you confirmed, i.e. the whole clip being selected if you lasso all the notes, while only part of the clip being highlighted if you don't. Seems to me that when you're lassoing notes, you're being specific about exactly what you want to select, i.e. just the notes. If you wanted to select the whole clip, you'd just select the clip. 

Yes, if you delete notes then you must Bounce To Clips to clean it up.

You can also lasso all the notes, hit ctrl+C, and then hit ctrl+alt+V and check Paste Into Existing Clips.

I do dis all da tyme.

Or do what I said earlier and "Apply Trimming"