sharke

Bub

sharke

I found that Sonar became infinitely more stable for me after I set up a separate user account dedicated to audio work. This second user account has no startup programs, no automatic file syncing going on and as much crap disabled as possible. I'm pretty confident about Sonar not crashing these days and in fact have narrowed it down to a couple of things I can prepare for, e.g. inserting the Cakewalk tape sim on the master bus will always crash Sonar the first time I do it, so I save right beforehand (the second time I insert it, everything's fine).

Hi Sharke,

What is "Automatic File Syncing"?

Never heard of it.

Thanks,

Bub

 
There are various apps you can use to automatically sync folders to the cloud. For instance, Microsoft's Live Mesh (although they are phasing this out in favor of SkyDrive) and also Google Drive. You just choose which folders on your hard drive that you'd like to keep automatically backed up, and it uploads them to the cloud whenever you make changes to them. You won't notice a hit in performance in everyday computing, but it's not something that you'd want going on in the background when you're running a DAW.

Oh! Thanks. Kind of like that little suitcase sync icon that used to be in XP and prior versions.
 
I just set up a User Account on my DAW and disabled a bunch of stuff. Had to set up Sonar again though. INI and all my other folder location settings etc etc.
 
I discovered two very interesting things ...
 
1. There are 2 Google Services that don't show up when you do a Ctrl-Alt-Del. They are completely hidden. I disabled those.
2. Even though I completely disabled my onboard sound card in BIOS, the drivers were still loading.
 
I also disabled a bunch of Windows services after going online and looking them up to see if it would crash my system.
 
Thanks,
Bub.

stratman70

Bub

sharke

I found that Sonar became infinitely more stable for me after I set up a separate user account dedicated to audio work. This second user account has no startup programs, no automatic file syncing going on and as much crap disabled as possible. I'm pretty confident about Sonar not crashing these days and in fact have narrowed it down to a couple of things I can prepare for, e.g. inserting the Cakewalk tape sim on the master bus will always crash Sonar the first time I do it, so I save right beforehand (the second time I insert it, everything's fine).

Hi Sharke,

What is "Automatic File Syncing"?

Never heard of it.

Thanks,

Bub

Hey Bub
 
I have no issues as I always state, but that does not make me a bad guy./ It's just the truth. I've gone thru a cheap Maudio 2496 and now to a Echo Layla3G (last 2 years or so) I only use the features I need ti use.
I don't use V vocal (i Have Melodyne) and I never even touched auto snap. Other than that I use everything.
 
I will say since I went to an Intel SSD for OS I never see a hiccup. I am big into midi and softsynths-many at one time. I have lots of plugs but all well known and no freebies.
 
Please don't group us all together. I am a retired Micrsoft Tech and I keep my stuff running smoothly.
 
I am sorry that you and others have issues, but that does not make folks like me, John and Cj and others bad guys or Fanboize.
 
Wish it worked great for all of us-but obviously it doesn't, whatever the reasons are.

Hi stratman ... good to see you. I hope all is well.
 
I never mentioned John's name ... but it's good to see you've got him in the correct category. ;)
 
As for the claim that 4 hours a day for 7 years and not a single crash ... I'm calling ****.
 
As for how you use Sonar ... that explains why you don't see any problems. I think if you used it in a broader way, for example mostly audio as aposed to mostly Midi, you would be running in to more of what everyone esle sees.
 
I'm not saying you are bad guys ... what I'm saying is, at some point people see the truth, and that is, you hand ful of guys are the only ones who come on here saying you have absolutely no problems ... while the rest of the forum is discussing bugs, crashes, work-arounds, latency problems etc etc. In the A Patch alone they fixed over 250 bugs. So the fact that you guys haven't run in to a single one of them means you aren't using the software to it's fullest potential and really don't bring anything constructive to the conversation about problems with Sonar. It would be like me saying I never had a single problem with my '74 Pinto while I'm watching the news about their exploding gas tanks, while all the time I fail to mention that I only drive it once a week, for 1 mile.
 
Does it really matter any way? I really don't care any more. What caught my attention in this thread was the 7 year claim. Bull-poop!
 
There's only one Fanboi in this entire forum as far as I'm concerned, and I have him blocked. Not that what I do or don't do, or think, really matters. The world will keep revolving with or without any of us.

X2 is not very stable on my system.  Waves plugins crash it often, instering softsynths crash it often, automation crashes it often and PC effects crash it often.  Hitting the space bar on large projects sometimes crashes it.

X1 was not very stable until the X1c patch.  Now X1 remains very stable and I use that for my workhorse.  X1(D) rarely crashes, but X2 crashes quite often.  ProTools rarely crashes on my system, but X2 crashes often.

After a full uninstal and reinstal I contacted tech support, who could offer me nothing more than do more uninstals and reinstals.  I am waiting for X2B also.   They eventually figured it out with X1, I have faith they will figure it out in X2. 

Bub

sharke

Bub

sharke

I found that Sonar became infinitely more stable for me after I set up a separate user account dedicated to audio work. This second user account has no startup programs, no automatic file syncing going on and as much crap disabled as possible. I'm pretty confident about Sonar not crashing these days and in fact have narrowed it down to a couple of things I can prepare for, e.g. inserting the Cakewalk tape sim on the master bus will always crash Sonar the first time I do it, so I save right beforehand (the second time I insert it, everything's fine).

Hi Sharke,

What is "Automatic File Syncing"?

Never heard of it.

Thanks,

Bub

 
There are various apps you can use to automatically sync folders to the cloud. For instance, Microsoft's Live Mesh (although they are phasing this out in favor of SkyDrive) and also Google Drive. You just choose which folders on your hard drive that you'd like to keep automatically backed up, and it uploads them to the cloud whenever you make changes to them. You won't notice a hit in performance in everyday computing, but it's not something that you'd want going on in the background when you're running a DAW.

Oh! Thanks. Kind of like that little suitcase sync icon that used to be in XP and prior versions.
 
I just set up a User Account on my DAW and disabled a bunch of stuff. Had to set up Sonar again though. INI and all my other folder location settings etc etc.
 
I discovered two very interesting things ...
 
1. There are 2 Google Services that don't show up when you do a Ctrl-Alt-Del. They are completely hidden. I disabled those.
2. Even though I completely disabled my onboard sound card in BIOS, the drivers were still loading.
 
I also disabled a bunch of Windows services after going online and looking them up to see if it would crash my system.
 
Thanks,
Bub.

I used to disable Windows services too (the Blackviper list) but recently I've been reading that you don't get much of a performance boost from doing so, and that the possible risks outweigh any benefits. I would like to see one of those service disable lists specifically tailored for DAW's though. 

Bub you need to spend time tuning your setup. My setup won't be working well if I hadn't done this (took me a day). It would be the same with any DAW.
Plenty of good advice posted here on what to do. I do appreciate "my setup works fine" posts are not useful,like I posted (it is the truth however) hopefully I've since made up with follow up posts. There also some good advice here from other forum members.


Nb I'm just talking about stability issues.  This is nothing to do with how I use Sonar. Software is software. You can make your system stable (unless you have a hardware issue), it just takes a lot of time and effort.

CakeAlexS

Bub you need to spend time tuning your setup. My setup won't be working well if I hadn't done this (took me a day). It would be the same with any DAW.
Plenty of good advice posted here on what to do. I do appreciate "my setup works fine" posts are not useful,like I posted (it is the truth however) hopefully I've since made up with follow up posts. There also some good advice here from other forum members.

Nb I'm just talking about stability issues.  This is nothing to do with how I use Sonar. Software is software.

I've always turned off services and that kind of thing, but it never occurred to me to create a separate user account just for using Sonar. I was shocked to see that there were things loading that do not show up when you open Task Manager. I'm glad Sharke made that post, thanks!. I had one of those "Ahhhh haaaa!" moments.

sharke

Bub

sharke

Bub

sharke

I found that Sonar became infinitely more stable for me after I set up a separate user account dedicated to audio work. This second user account has no startup programs, no automatic file syncing going on and as much crap disabled as possible. I'm pretty confident about Sonar not crashing these days and in fact have narrowed it down to a couple of things I can prepare for, e.g. inserting the Cakewalk tape sim on the master bus will always crash Sonar the first time I do it, so I save right beforehand (the second time I insert it, everything's fine).

Hi Sharke,

What is "Automatic File Syncing"?

Never heard of it.

Thanks,

Bub

 
There are various apps you can use to automatically sync folders to the cloud. For instance, Microsoft's Live Mesh (although they are phasing this out in favor of SkyDrive) and also Google Drive. You just choose which folders on your hard drive that you'd like to keep automatically backed up, and it uploads them to the cloud whenever you make changes to them. You won't notice a hit in performance in everyday computing, but it's not something that you'd want going on in the background when you're running a DAW.

Oh! Thanks. Kind of like that little suitcase sync icon that used to be in XP and prior versions.

I just set up a User Account on my DAW and disabled a bunch of stuff. Had to set up Sonar again though. INI and all my other folder location settings etc etc.

I discovered two very interesting things ...

1. There are 2 Google Services that don't show up when you do a Ctrl-Alt-Del. They are completely hidden. I disabled those.
2. Even though I completely disabled my onboard sound card in BIOS, the drivers were still loading.

I also disabled a bunch of Windows services after going online and looking them up to see if it would crash my system.

Thanks,
Bub.

I used to disable Windows services too (the Blackviper list) but recently I've been reading that you don't get much of a performance boost from doing so, and that the possible risks outweigh any benefits. I would like to see one of those service disable lists specifically tailored for DAW's though.

I turned off Audio Service, Search Indexing, Remote Access, those kind of things. There were some 'Experience reporting' type things I disabled as well.
 
I have to say it's more responsive now ... time will tell. :)

For me a have a separate boot partition so I always log in as standard admin with certain services disabled. Just for daw that takes it to a whole new level. Useful advice though given about user accounts if you really want to run non draw related programs on your installation.

Well, you see I see the exact opposite of what you are saying.
 
The handful are the folks who claim crashes every 20 minutes. I went thru the forum more than once to investigate this. And it was the SAME 10-15% of people talking about totally unusable-completely unstable.
 
I said I use mostly midi. I do record 4 to 5 vocal tracks and 10-15 electric and accoustic guitars live and direct_ and a few basslines using my midi controller. So about 30 audio tracks recorded per project. 30-40 midi tracks per project (mostly drum tracks there.
 
This will never end I fear until the folks that "claim" unusable wake up and just move on.
 
These discussions almost always end up as a battle between the same people.
 
If Sonar didn't work for me like folks in this thread state I would move on with out a word- in a ny minute.
 
That is part of the reason I don't but most of it.
 
It's really sad-to come back hre just to complain about a friggin" software product. I don't care how much anyone invested, or for how long-move on then.
 
If it's not working for you now-move on. Reaper is pretty much free. so all these folks should just go there and leave the rest of us to try and help those that actually come here looking for help-not just to gripe and rant.
 
I just don't get who these folks feel they are hurting-because it ain't the bakers, it's folks like me who come here for advice, or to try and help when I can.

CJaysMusic

YOU agree?

I just lost 20 minutes work .......GJ!

No, i have not had a crash in X1 or X2 and i use Sonar daily, at least 4 hours a day.
 
If you lost 20 mibnutes of work, then you need to learn hoe to press the "SAVE" button every now and them. dont blame your screw up on Sonar. Its not thier fault you have a flawed workflow. I actually never lost any work in over 7 years of using sonar on a dialy basis..
 
CJ

              Ha ha...this has got to be a contender for post of the year so far....Im with bub on this one, keep your fairy stories for the children
              they`re meant for CJ.