• SONAR
  • Alan Parsons, Tom Oberheim, Dave Smith, Jordan Rudess, George Duke and Craig Anderton (p.3)
2013/02/07 16:56:35
John
Mr. Anderton you were great on that panel. I had the feeling that if we ever did meet it would be a fantastic time for me. Maybe not so much for you, though.
2013/02/07 18:52:34
Jeff Evans
This is a great panel discussion and well worth watching for sure. I found everyone on the panel interesting. I had a set-up back in 1980 before midi was invented and was trying then to get multiple instruments to play from some sort of sequencer. I was wanting to combine different machines from different makers as they did have a different sound from each other. Getting different brands working together was tricky for sure. Multi track tape was it for a while there.

I had the Oberheim System for a while and all the stuff Tom talked about was true. Earth loops issues and also just getting it all to work properly! . Especially when connecting different CV and gate signals around the place. Korg had their own standard here. I could get the DSX sequencer from the system talking to other machines though so it was sort of the way there. Midi changed all that though.

When asked what some of the problems of midi were people did go quiet a bit there but what should have  been said was the timing issues of talking to multiple instruments down one midi port. If you wanted 16 instruments to all hit the same beat the potential for the worst case machine being about 16 ms late is possible. But this is easily overcome by using multiple midi ports and putting one or two machines on one port only. Midi is pretty fast and the internal latency for a synth to make a sound comes into play as well. The fact that the three packets of data can be sent in about 1 ms is very good latency. I also think there are plenty of CC codes to take care of a lot of things too now and into the future. I love the way modern computers and sequencers can advance or delay midi track timing to allow for all of this. Also I have limited my hardware set-up to only 8 powerful machines and they can have their own midi port each so timing can be very tight when it needs to be.

I did not agree about modern virtual machines not sounding as good as their original designs. That is incorrect. They do and they can sound very much like the original machines but go way further. Control surfaces can access lots of functions now just as well as they did earlier with knobs everywhere.

Great extra perspectives too from Jordan, George and Alan. Parsons is someone who would have used midi right from the start and still is. I am like that myself. It still forms the basis of my whole external hardware setup and does so still so easily right now. It connects three computers together so painlessly too and it all works so well. 

Velocity is something that midi added. Before that most analog synths did not have it and we had to great lengths to program it in. Touch sensitivity just was not in the playing domain for many years and all of sudden it was and just so good to have it. SPP pointer made it possible to reliably lock up to an 8 track for example and track live players over midi sequencers. I made great use of it for years. And later timecode came in and it was more flexible. Tempos could be altered afterwards.

It is wonderful that midi is still around and as Dave put it modern machines or computers can still connect to either a new hardware analog release or a much older technologies without issues using it. 


2013/02/07 21:23:00
soens
John


"I got to meet Bapu. I always love meeting forum people and finding out that they're real!"


I'm not.


Wait! Bapu Israel?
 
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Next you'll be sayin' this forum is real too.
2013/02/07 22:14:17
LANEY
Yes, Thanks for posting! Great video.
2013/02/08 00:11:47
pbognar
Anderton


I got to meet Bapu. I always love meeting forum people and finding out that they're real!

What happened after the panel discussion was also interesting, an impromptu "roundtable discussion" with Alan, Stanley Clarke, George Duke, Brian Hardgroove, Lenny White, and me. I captured it on video and will post it on Harmony Central's YouTube after I've edited it.

BTW where can I get a hovercat?

Whoa - you and 1/2 of Return to Forever with George Duke?  Can't wait.


Excellent MIDI roundtable by the way.

I'm surprised no one brought up:

- General MIDI

-  Algorithmic composition and the ability to take the MIDI data it produces transport it to just about any DAW - the whole Band-in-a-Box / Jammer thing.


- MIDI loops - the ability to capture performances and modify them to integrate with or jump start compositions


- And finally, and this may controversial, but the role MIDI sequencing for the masses may have played in what music is today 
2013/02/08 04:07:10
Jeff Evans
Thanks Peter for bringing some of those things up they are very important. General midi added something very special and powerful into the bargain. Midi loops all great and how it has impacted on people. I taught computer music to juveniles in a prison for a while and it was wonderful to see them discover computers and software and get so creative with that. Midi played a big part in what we did there. Some of those guys discovered it in jail, got out and have succeeded doing composing and using the skills they learned while in jail. Some did not know they had any talent until we got some midi sequences going and got them rapping and singing etc..It opened up a whole world to them. And to me as well. 

I loved watching that video. I have owned some Oberheim stuff and it was beautiful to say the least. I have had a deep relationship with Oberheim gear.  (It's great now, still got the Oberheim sound without all the fuss!!) It was fantastic to see Tom in real life. I loved and owned Prophets too, seeing Dave Smith was very cool. I thought Jordan was very articulate and brought some very interesting points into the discussion. George Duke too from such a great players perspective. And Craig made some great points. I have been reading Craig's stuff right back since that first book on midi. It has certainly helped me understand and teach the subject too on a wide variety of levels.



2013/02/11 01:35:19
Jeff Evans
I thought it might be a good idea to bump this thread. It is getting lost. This seminar is really great and anyone with an interest in midi (especially external hardware) will find it fascinating. I certainly did and enjoyed it a lot. People like Dave Smith are very important and very instrumental in the development of midi. Tom Oberheim is a bit of a god in my eyes too. Anyone who has owned and used (and nursed!) a lot of Oberheim gear will know what I mean. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFIZc7IMzyA
2013/02/11 04:08:37
mudgel
I watched it in one sitting. Wished I was there to ask some questions.
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