One thing that I've noticed about people who gripe about apple is, most of the things they gripe about are things that turn out simply to not be reality on closer inspection. I've absolutely no idea why this is. It's just a company that makes computers n stuff. People get bizarrely emotional about it, much more so in the anti camp than the pro one.

Apple has always made great products.  I was mad that they took my Logic off of Windows but I got over it.   The only reason I don't own an Apple computer is that there have always been for less expensive alternatives.  I own an iPOD that I use for backing tracks on my gig because all the accessories such as my Alesis Mixer with iPod doc are made for Apple products.  I'll be getting a pad soon but for what I need a Kindle or Nexus will do fine.  If I needed all the hardcore iPad music apps I'd get an Apple iPad but I do that stuff on my Windows laptop.  These are just tools. No more, no less.

I don't use anything Obama uses...starting with Apple and the "presidential Lager" from Northern Brewery (for those of you who are homebrewers)...ALL EVIL.

slartabartfast

Meanwhile Intel has announced that future CPU chips will need to be soldered to the motherboard. That should pretty much guarantee that the flexibility in choices for workstations will be severely limited and that specialized computers will cost much more to build and buy. Instead of building a dozen motherboard models with an inexpensive socket capable of running a dozen or more chips, the MB makers will have to front the cost of CPU's and figure out how not to get stuck with leftover stock. The usual solution is to make fewer models and aim the ones you make for sale at the general market. Models with limited specialty demand will be rare and expensive. Think Ford vs Ferrari. 

I have only owned a computer,of any kind,for almost 2 years,at age 48,first a del xps[which I use the most]and then a parts picked,store assembled desktop.


This future cpu/motherboard scenario,sounds horrifying,so I hope the desktop remains good for a good while yet.


Iv'e never owned an MP3 player,and comparing my 24bit 44.1/48KHz files,with soundclouds 128 kbps stream,I'm glad I never did.


I was initially told,"you can ONLY make music,with an apple machine,but in April 2011,both my laptop,and desktop,worked out cheaper,than 1 MacBookPro 15" with a 7,200 rpm HDD[stock is 5,400,same as this years xps!],however Rain,is correct about mac resale value.


There is a large no. of people waiting on the supposed new macpro desktop,somehow I think,it[if it EVER eventuates]will be vastly different to the expandable machine they're hoping for.


I wouldn't say no to mac mini,if they were the same price,as in the US,but here...no.
Bob

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slartabartfast

Meanwhile Intel has announced that future CPU chips will need to be soldered to the motherboard. That should pretty much guarantee that the flexibility in choices for workstations will be severely limited and that specialized computers will cost much more to build and buy. Instead of building a dozen motherboard models with an inexpensive socket capable of running a dozen or more chips, the MB makers will have to front the cost of CPU's and figure out how not to get stuck with leftover stock. The usual solution is to make fewer models and aim the ones you make for sale at the general market. Models with limited specialty demand will be rare and expensive. Think Ford vs Ferrari. 

I have only owned a computer,of any kind,for almost 2 years,at age 48,first a del xps[which I use the most]and then a parts picked,store assembled desktop.


This future cpu/motherboard scenario,sounds horrifying,so I hope the desktop remains good for a good while yet.


Iv'e never owned an MP3 player,and comparing my 24bit 44.1/48KHz files,with soundclouds 128 kbps stream,I'm glad I never did.


I was initially told,"you can ONLY make music,with an apple machine,but in April 2011,both my laptop,and desktop,worked out cheaper,than 1 MacBookPro 15" with a 7,200 rpm HDD[stock is 5,400,same as this years xps!],however Rain,is correct about mac resale value.


There is a large no. of people waiting on the supposed new macpro desktop,somehow I think,it[if it EVER eventuates]will be vastly different to the expandable machine they're hoping for.


I wouldn't say no to mac mini,if they were the same price,as in the US,but here...no.
Bob

Really can't use soundcloud etc as an example of mp3. Like the stuff in my link in specs sounds nothing like what was actually uploaded. My own mp3s sound like the wave version. These were uploaded a long time ago and I think they do a better job now in the conversion. 


Mp3 has its place just like any medium. I still buy records because I like the sound but we all know the short coming of records. Cassettes had hiss and Dolby killed the highs but were recordable. Etc. I think you would find it difficult to tell the difference between a 192 kHz mp3 and a 44.1 kHz wave. I do think I can tell but I really have to listen very very closely and some of this is possibly placebo. But the convenience of having my entire music library on a hand held device totally out ways any difference I think maybe I might hear. For me any ways. 


But since I know mp3 is a lossy format I still like to buy the cd. But then convert it. 

dan le


One thing that I have noticed that a lot of people who use Apple products are usually educated, make good money and think of themselves as progressive politically, but Apple is making all this money off those people and employing very few Americans in the process.

I find this disgusting and hard to accept.

sincerely,

dan le

I wouldn't say progressive politically, nope. My brother is about as conservative as you can get without digging up Mussolini's grave. The Apple phenomenon can be described in one word: 'poser'. That isn't to say that there aren't serious folks using macintoshes, but that they're in the minority. (Most likely the programmers selling software to same said rubes..) For most, the decision to go Apple is as fashion accessory - something to brag about between begging someone for help in setting up their network and printer settings...

SuperG

I wouldn't say progressive politically, nope. My brother is about as conservative as you can get without digging up Mussolini's grave. The Apple phenomenon can be described in one word: 'poser'. That isn't to say that there aren't serious folks using macintoshes, but that they're in the minority. (Most likely the programmers selling software to same said rubes..) For most, the decision to go Apple is as fashion accessory - something to brag about between begging someone for help in setting up their network and printer settings...

I'm sure you have tons of studies to back that one up. 


Same studies that show that PC users are a bunch of geeks who worship Xena the warrior princess, never had intercourse, eat nothing but pizza pocket and think that Manowar is the hottest band in the world. ;)

I've known many, many, many who fitted the above-description, to the tee, btw... Still, I don't think I fell in that category, as a PC user.


As for Mac, I see them in every studio and big venues, everywhere I go. If posers also use them, that's their problem. ;)

This has just become a thread for people to work out their angst in now, hasn't it? Some weird repository for bitterness some imaginary tribe of other people. Just the other week, true story, someone quite seriously said to me "most feminists own apple macs". The stuff in this thread isn't significantly less comical. 

Edited away because the forum software is obviously on crack. 

dan le


One thing that I have noticed that a lot of people who use Apple products are usually educated, make good money and think of themselves as progressive politically, but Apple is making all this money off those people and employing very few Americans in the process.

I find this disgusting and hard to accept.

sincerely,

dan le

Without wanting to go into the whole "generalize about Apple users" thing, it's hard not to notice the difference in reaction between progressive types at the respective "scandals" of Microsoft and Apple. Remember when Microsoft was being hauled over the coals by the EU for supposedly "anti-competition" practices (like....er....bundling their own browser with Windows)? OMG Microsoft was "everything that is wrong about capitalism" and a "greedy corporation which wants to dominate the world." You could not move online for references to "Micro$$oft." Fast forward a few years and the stories are coming out about Chinese factories making iPhones whose workers were throwing themselves off of the factory roof. And yet Apple's good name survived through the whole thing. I don't recall any young progressives boycotting Apple or calling them evil capitalists. And that's because it's such a popular brand among that demographic. They're seen as cool & hip and they are the first choice of cool & hip artists and designers everywhere. Therefore they can do no wrong.   

I'm not saying everyone who uses Apple products belongs in that demographic, because they quite clearly don't. I have professional photographer friends who swear by them, and my own dad who's in his 70's (and a staunch right-leaning libertarian) switched over to Mac a couple of years ago and loves them. They're obviously great machines. But you have to admit that there is "that" certain demographic who buys them purely for image, while using them for nothing more than browsing the internet, watching movies and listening to music. I just don't see the point of shelling out all that extra cash when you can do those things on a comparable PC for a lot cheaper.