John T


This has just become a thread for people to work out their angst in now, hasn't it? Some weird repository for bitterness some imaginary tribe of other people. Just the other week, true story, someone quite seriously said to me "most feminists own apple macs". The stuff in this thread isn't significantly less comical. 

Well said.

Rain

SuperG

I wouldn't say progressive politically, nope. My brother is about as conservative as you can get without digging up Mussolini's grave. The Apple phenomenon can be described in one word: 'poser'. That isn't to say that there aren't serious folks using macintoshes, but that they're in the minority. (Most likely the programmers selling software to same said rubes..) For most, the decision to go Apple is as fashion accessory - something to brag about between begging someone for help in setting up their network and printer settings...

I'm sure you have tons of studies to back that one up. 


Same studies that show that PC users are a bunch of geeks who worship Xena the warrior princess, never had intercourse, eat nothing but pizza pocket and think that Manowar is the hottest band in the world. ;)

I've known many, many, many who fitted the above-description, to the tee, btw... Still, I don't think I fell in that category, as a PC user.


As for Mac, I see them in every studio and big venues, everywhere I go. If posers also use them, that's their problem. ;)

PC users don't really fit any mold...there isn't really any fanboys in the PC world except maybe for professional marketers, and no one pays attention to them. We have no problem kicking the industry in the teeth in order to extract more from them, surely as they'd like to extract more from ourr wallets. Apple, however, occupies a niche in desktop territory and provides a fat target for criticism - and of course they deserve it as i pointed out earlier. 
The reason you find macs here and there in studios is because, well, the creative community has always been individualistic and is always trying to make a statement. In fact, you're more likely to find mac in the creative community than in the general public. Absolutely nothing wrong with that - but it is what it is. If you're trying to make a statement or strike a pose, that's what you're doing. Your choice of computer has little to do with any innate talent, it may amplify it, but it certainly can't create it.

In short, folks are welcome to their macs for whatever reason they choose to purchase them for. Just don't try to cook up a justifying rationale and pawn it on someone - there isn't any.

"imaginary tribe of other people"

Whatever bro, it's people who own macs! 

I think they reason people think that 'progressive's are ignoring Apple is because the labels have stayed the same but the political realities, tastes, and sensitivities have changed over time. I know people who think Obama is to the right of Reagan, given his foreign policies, and feel that his domestic programs are simply sops to leftish hangers-on, while giving away the store to wallstreet and the military industrial complex. Things like, you can be gay (sure, fine. ok..), but we can steal your email anytime we want and take your cash if we think you're a drug dealer, or maybe we might just take it anyway because it would cost you more in lawyers to recover it... one-step forward, two steps back..

It's a theory anyway - and it leaves little for the right except the bug-nuts crazies, alluded to by some on the right trying to extricate themselves from said crazies.

SuperG


I think they reason people think that 'progressive's are ignoring Apple is because the labels have stayed the same but the political realities, tastes, and sensitivities have changed over time. I know people who think Obama is to the right of Reagan, given his foreign policies, and feel that his domestic programs are simply sops to leftish hangers-on, while giving away the store to wallstreet and the military industrial complex. Things like, you can be gay (sure, fine. ok..), but we can steal your email anytime we want and take your cash if we think you're a drug dealer, or maybe we might just take it anyway because it would cost you more in lawyers to recover it... one-step forward, two steps back..

It's a theory anyway - and it leaves little for the right except the bug-nuts crazies, alluded to by some on the right trying to extricate themselves from said crazies.

Not sure this is true really...I mean look at the big factory fire in Bangladesh recently. The "liberal" blogs were full of comments about the evils of the profit motive, and the need for strong government regulation to stop these people from being exploited and put at risk, how this shows the importance of unions, big government blah blah and how all you "right wing Tea Party extremists would just let workers die in factory fires" etc. And then it came out that 3 of Walmart's suppliers made goods in the factory, and of course Walmart is a familiar boogeyman of the left and so there were calls to boycott Walmart. But I didn't see any of this when overworked Chinese factory workers were killing themselves on the Apple assembly line. Because it doesn't matter what Apple does, or what kind of conditions their parts are manufactured in, or how many people are being exploited...it has managed to wrap itself in this whitey-white veneer that fools the kids into thinking it's somehow "different" from evil empires of death like Walmart. 

SuperG

Rain

SuperG

PC users don't really fit any mold...there isn't really any fanboys in the PC world except maybe for professional marketers, and no one pays attention to them. We have no problem kicking the industry in the teeth in order to extract more from them, surely as they'd like to extract more from ourr wallets. Apple, however, occupies a niche in desktop territory and provides a fat target for criticism - and of course they deserve it as i pointed out earlier. 
The reason you find macs here and there in studios is because, well, the creative community has always been individualistic and is always trying to make a statement. In fact, you're more likely to find mac in the creative community than in the general public. Absolutely nothing wrong with that - but it is what it is. If you're trying to make a statement or strike a pose, that's what you're doing. Your choice of computer has little to do with any innate talent, it may amplify it, but it certainly can't create it.

In short, folks are welcome to their macs for whatever reason they choose to purchase them for. Just don't try to cook up a justifying rationale and pawn it on someone - there isn't any.

Molds are just molds. There are PC users who fit the stereotypical image just like there's people who really worship Apple. People are people. PC users aren't usually fanboys of a brand, obviously, but some certainly meet the rest of the fanboy job description, nevertheless. 

 
Also, you don't find Macs here and there in studio - you find them in the vast majority of pro recording studios.  They are simply the de facto standard. It has nothing to do w/ posing... When you have a studio full of analog equipment and a humongous mixing board, incredible rooms and a collection of mics to die for, you don't have to rely on your computer to impress the customers...

Anybody trying to "make a statement" as you put it would probably be using a PC and making commercials for Dell. ;)

" I don't use anything Obama uses...starting with Apple and the "presidential Lager" from Northern Brewery (for those of you who are homebrewers)...ALL EVIL." i heard Obama uses toilet paper, forks and sheets. Blind hatred is comical. Can't say I give a damn about Obama or any other politician, but avoiding products for something as silly as hating a person you don't know is hilarious, considering odds are strong someone you do like uses the same product

Go Linux!

I'm curious about this idea that Apple somehow get away with bad business practices that others don't. Because exactly the opposite is true. Pretty much every news report you read about the horrible conditions at Foxxconn refers to them as an Apple manufacturer. But in actual fact, Foxxconn make stuff for everyone. They're close to impossible to avoid if you've got any kind of consumer electronics.

it's the inevitable backlash. Apple bashers have becomes as unreasonably irrational as the cult of apple worship. As you have stated , Apple is no more guilty of exploitative business practices than anyone else. Doesn't make it any more or less right, but illustrates the perspective one will look at these issues from is highly based on pre-conceived notions and prone to selective outrage.