FACE it ! you all can go and smoke your "PRO" audio sequencers -.----only 32 bit capable toys ,and shiny looking .candy shop sequencers with little furry balls on the sides .............................SONAR kicks but in sound quality ,,,,,,,,,,,,,without the need of expensive DSP or whatnot ......that must truly be CRUEL to hardware manufacturers out there ? Isn´t it ? ; P

with your DSP cards , I make Jewelery at work , take the alluminium out and make earrings ....its true !

I can only imagine ATM what SONAR  would sound like , if I ran that beast with 96 khz 64 bit ...............

I use only 44khz ATM ,......my system is 2 slow ^^

jamesyoyo


I'm sorry, guys, but I refuse to believe that my computer specs and setup can cause these types of issues. I have run into some of them before, but this project (my first real big one post-Sandy, thus first with X2a) has elicited some strange behaviors that cannot be explained away. What in God's name is in my setup that could cause all the ProChannel high eq pots to run up to +16.9? Especially when it has never happened before in 6 years of using Sonar exclusively? Or cause all the faders to go back to 0? Or wipe out all my pannings? Or not allow me to push a clip to the start of a measure?

Seriously: if you haven't seen these yourselves, then God bless. But please don't go all fanboi on us and say it is something other than poorly-written and buggy-@ss code. That is an insult to all who are experiencing it.

I agree with you on this...there are some things that could be attributed to hardware setup, like audio engine instability, or could be attributed to incompatibility with plugs etc. But many of the bugs in X2 are interface and software control related, like the one you describe, and cannot possibly be anything else but bad code. Imagine if you were using Microsoft Word and sections of text were randomly switching to bold type and paragraphs were moving around without you touching them. And then someone suggested that maybe it was your printer drivers, or a faulty monitor. 

For me, I did a lot of mixing work last week, long days and extensive use of features. And I've decided to go back to X1d for a while. It hasn't be terrible, working with X2/a, but it hasn't been great, either. The things I'll miss a lot are the automation improvements and the console emulation. Smart tool improvements I'll miss a little bit. But what I'll get back is fewer crashes and the ability to use my v700 console as more than a doorstop. So while I might argue with this or that detail of these discussions, yeah, I think another patch is needed.

Bristol_Jonesey


James, you say "I refuse to believe that my computer specs and setup can cause these types of issues."

Trouble is, we don't know anything about your computer specs or setup, so a diagnosis is a long way off.

That's not being fanboi, that's being practical.

Jonesy, that wasn't directed to anyone on the thread when I wrote that. I had read through the other heated thread where Bub got into a tussle and wanted to avoid the snarky fanboi talking-down-to that happens when certain folks get involved. Asking specs is fine, even appreciated, but to the issues recounted above, they are completely irrelevant. Suffice to say that I am a pretty knowledgeable computer guy and don't have silly games or spyware/malware interrupting my musical endeavors. I also know how to use Sonar, as many will attest to that fact. These issues are so weird and out of my experience with Cakewalk that I had to write to vent.

webbs hill studio


hi james:
just curious why you upgraded to X2-was it because X1 didn`t meet your requirements or was it because X2 offered more production wise.
not being provocative but wouldn`t it be better to rollback to a version that was stable for you rather than acting as a de-facto beta tester for Roland with the obvious frustration you are experiencing,until the inevitable patch comes out?
no offense intended!

I am a loyal Cake customer and usually upgrade when available. I like having the new tools at my disposal. I have dealt with the headaches before (ahem, uhh, X1, anybody?) but the behaviors seen yesterday were beyond my frustration tolerances.

brconflict



3 - X2a does seem to produce some extra burden on the system or OS vs. X2 or even X1d.

This. I have the CPU meter spiking during the tune playback... I thought it was the 12 instances of z3ta2 running, but even after I have frozen all those tracks the CPU is still getting pinned. No BitBridge either, as I am using all 64-bit vsts.

musicroom

Bub

Beepster

I think it's all the Win8 stuff. It'd be interesting to see a comparison of the problems people are having on WIn7 vs. Win8. I don't think I've seen too many complaints from the Win8 crowd since the "a" patch. Should have been a dual release so us 7 users didn't have to be in the petri dish as well.

It's not the Windows 8 stuff. This kind of behavior has been going on in Sonar since X1's initial release. Maybe the Windows 8 crap made it worse, but it's not the cause of it.

James is not one to post up here like this. He spends 99% of his time down in the song forums.

So please ... listen to the guy. Listen to all of us ... we're not making this stuff up.

Seriously, I feel for anybody who is gets halted when working. I know it has to be maddening. I hope cake finds the cause and corrects this for you and the handful that is having problems.  BUT, just because mine and other users report no problems, that does not make us fanbois or any other derogatory name thrown out here by the angry. My system works and works great. I'm not embarrassed by that. My sincere hope is for the ones having problems to get cake's support to get them corrected yesterday.

Nobody has acted like a fanboi on this thread (yet!). So don't take offense when none was given.


However, the degree to which some folks' solipsism  goes on display on this forum does make me cringe from time to time. Just because I had never experienced the high eq pot pinning to +16.9 prior to last night wouldn't make me doubt it couldn't happen to someone else. I have been doing this too long to think that crazy stuff can't happen with Sonar.


EDIT: I just opened the project and thankfully the PC high eq pot being pinned at +16.9 has not returned. However, half of the High Mids have been increased by various amounts. Progress!

I had to wiki Solipsism. :-)

Thanks for that!

best,
mike

James, I have to ask. Since you've not posted any specific & minute details about the project (for guys like Danny to try and duplicate), have you sent the offending project to Cake for them to evaluate? And I mean the exact project, not just a "representative" project.