• SONAR
  • The verdict: X2a is not good. Unstable and buggy as all heck (p.6)
2013/02/05 15:22:01
guitardood
jamesyoyo


Seriously: if you haven't seen these yourselves, then God bless. But please don't go all fanboi on us and say it is something other than poorly-written and buggy-@ss code. That is an insult to all who are experiencing it.

+1
2013/02/05 15:46:58
brconflict
dubdisciple


brconflict, thanks for pointing that out before this degenerated into a Mac versus PC debate. I was certainly not trying to imply Apple was better. IMO they are overpriced but imo more stable for the average consumer. For power users running more advanced software, I think the stability issue gap closes some. My only intention was pointing out that it the challenge of consistency rises the more variables are thrown in.
Yeah, really, to close the argument from anyone with hardware issues that disparate, or varying hardware platforms can induce, it makes sense to also mention that there are systems available from Sweetwater that are verified and tailored for DAW use (Macs and PCs). Otherwise, you're right that it makes sense to point out that anytime the software bugs crop up, it does include the "normality" in hardware with it, something we know Cakewalk can't test every combination of. 

With that said, I would like to see Cakewalk (if I haven't overlooked it already) list out hardware they have tested Sonar with or at least brands they recommend most. That information brings a sort of favorability in hardware (picking winners and losers), but just as with Microsoft, who includes their own drivers for many hardware manufacturers, these same hardware-makers can just as easily submit test hardware to Cakewalk for a "qualification" session, paying a little sum to have their hardware validated. It would at least help rid some of the discussions of rare or old hardware, or really, help those who run into issues not knowing what hardware would be the best to shoot for. I think that would be helpful to me.

2013/02/05 15:51:49
miguelito
I am intrigued by the new Cubase but the bugger is only 32 bit.

 
Beep: I think you will find that C7 is 64bit. At least that is what Steinberg's doc's say. I can let you know for sure this Friday.
 
Regards
2013/02/05 15:59:06
bapu
brconflict

With that said, I would like to see Cakewalk (if I haven't overlooked it already) list out hardware they have tested Sonar with or at least brands they recommend most. That information brings a sort of favorability in hardware (picking winners and losers), but just as with Microsoft, who includes their own drivers for many hardware manufacturers, these same hardware-makers can just as easily submit test hardware to Cakewalk for a "qualification" session, paying a little sum to have their hardware validated. It would at least help rid some of the discussions of rare or old hardware, or really, help those who run into issues not knowing what hardware would be the best to shoot for. I think that would be helpful to me.

On paper that sounds so right. But in practice, the CakeBakers cannot test every permutation of (let alone their own) VSTs and VSTis in the same fashion that the "200" users mentioned above will do. Users are notorious for coming up with scenarios that (at first) baffle developers. 

2013/02/05 16:04:58
Splat
@brconflict....
Exactly. Those who specifically have stability issues need to state what they've done to try and get it working.. Or just carry on debating about hunches.


Workflow and ui issues, yeah cake needs to fix.
2013/02/05 16:07:49
bapu
Given that I own nearly every major VST plugin on the market, I'd be willing to offer the time to try and duplicate the problem if a member would give me their exact project (and I'd sign and NDA for the song/project too boot).
2013/02/05 16:07:52
The Maillard Reaction
bapu

Users are notorious for coming up with scenarios that (at first) baffle developers.  



A metronome button that does something when you press on it?


 
2013/02/05 16:08:49
bapu
mike_mccue


bapu

Users are notorious for coming up with scenarios that (at first) baffle developers.  



A metronome button that does something when you press on it?




Yeah, sumpin' like that would have my head spinning to be sure.
2013/02/05 16:09:57
bapu
mike_mccue


bapu

Users are notorious for coming up with scenarios that (at first) baffle developers.  



A metronome button that does something when you press on it?




Hmmmmm. I just pressed mine and it did nothing (until I pressed play or record that is).


Problem solved.


Next!!!!
2013/02/05 16:14:11
Beepster
miguelito



I am intrigued by the new Cubase but the bugger is only 32 bit.

 
Beep: I think you will find that C7 is 64bit. At least that is what Steinberg's doc's say. I can let you know for sure this Friday.
 
Regards


Ah, good. Don't get me wrong. I'd still be using Sonar for a lot of writing, sounds, effects but after using Nuendo for so long when it comes down to editing and final mixes I think that might just be a more comfortable solution. It's also a bit of a name recognition problem too if I start taking on clients. I'm not sure how well people will react if I only have Sonar in my toolbox. Even if I did most of the work in Sonar just being able to say "Cubase" might help give the illusion that I know what the heck I'm doing... even if I don't lol

Pro Tools can piss off though. I will do my best to avoid Avid if at all possible. Sounds like the industry is starting to realize the emperor has no clothes anyway so it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Cheers.
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