Much smoother than what?

Where is your evidence?

guitardood
but the overall mix sounds leaps and bounds better and was created with a lot less additional EQ than on X2.  http://www.musicpreview.c..._cover_Samba_Pa_Ti.mp3

Hasn't the rumor been long since quashed that all DAWs "sound" the same and that one mix being better than the other is not the DAWs merit but the merit belongs to the person and VSTs?

bapu

guitardood
but the overall mix sounds leaps and bounds better and was created with a lot less additional EQ than on X2.  http://www.musicpreview.c..._cover_Samba_Pa_Ti.mp3

Hasn't the rumor been long since quashed that all DAWs "sound" the same and that one mix being better than the other is not the DAWs merit but the merit belongs to the person and VSTs?

In theory, it's correct. In reality it doesn't seem to be the case.

32bit processing of a .wav and VST's should sound the same across the board, but in my experience that's not the case.

I've been using Guitar Rig 4 in another solution and I swear it sounds different. More realistic, more natural, not as harsh. Is that the DAW audio engine or the way the VST processing? Are they one and the same (Engine and VST processing)? I don't know?

Is it something to the effect of, one DAW has an internal code such as console emulation embedded, while another one doesn't, and that's why some people claim to hear a difference? In theory it's all numbers and they should all sound the same, unless someone manipulates those numbers behind the scenes.

Conar


@guitarhood, if microsoft is the problem, how do you explain Reason, StudioOne or even Live running much smoother on a microsoft OS -

To reiterate Bristol_Jonesey's Q, "Smoother than what?"   When Windows works, it works great.  My problem is not stability, I micromanage all applications installed on my machines, am painfully aware of this issue and don't install any voodo-ware.  Most average user's aren't as retentive nor are most users even aware of this issue, hence my post.  All I was doing was pointing out that it's also too easy for the installation of an application to hose other apps and potentially the entire OS, BY DEISGN.  It is a major design flaw which has existed since day one and hasn't been addressed by MS except in the most minimalist way and could be a potential cause for the many folks running "flawlessly" while others are experiencing, in some cases, show stopping issues.

We current and former Windows programmers have a joke:
       Q:"What's the best platform for Microsoft Windows?"
       A: "35mm Slides"

Best,
guitardood

I hope James comes back and keeps us posted.

I'm curious to see if the problems kept reoccuring in the project and if he had to scrap it like I have had to when I've experienced similar problems.

bapu

guitardood
but the overall mix sounds leaps and bounds better and was created with a lot less additional EQ than on X2.  http://www.musicpreview.c..._cover_Samba_Pa_Ti.mp3

Hasn't the rumor been long since quashed that all DAWs "sound" the same and that one mix being better than the other is not the DAWs merit but the merit belongs to the person and VSTs?

Don't know who supposedly quashed the "rumour", I'm just reporting my actual frustration with a problem and my experience in resolving the issue.  Under X2 on the same mix (Yamaha motif for all instruments other than the live guitar), I needed to put a high shelf at 10k (q=.76) of almost 12 db in some cases to get the mix to sound flat when translated.  I'm not blaming Sonar entirely as I feel my KRK V8s are partially responsible due to their over emphasis on the highs and are certainly not the best "reference" monitors despite their price of $499 each and $900 for the sub.  Perhaps you should reread my statement which you quoted.  I'm not saying pro tools sounds better, I'm saying my mix, on the same hardware with the same room and same monitors and same ears, when translated to other platforms (i.e. car stereo, boom box, living room 5.1 system, laptop speakers)  sounds leaps and bound better without major EQ surgery on the two track mix.  Or to be more accurate:  They sound the same, after I applied a 6 db shelf on the lows and a 12db shelf on the highs to the Sonar version of the two track mix down which was not required on the PT version.   Granted there is not supposed to be a difference, but unfortunately there is a difference and again it sound's as if Sonar (since X1) is compressing bus inputs rather than allowing them to clip.  I haven't looked at Sonar's source code so this is entirely conjecture on my part in an attempt to explain the difference in mixes from one platform to another.  And again, for the record,  I'M A FANBOI!

Best,
guitardood

Bub

jscomposer

The only time it crashed was when I used the 32bit version of Z3ta through J-Bridge (not sure why, but it doesn't like it).

Works fine here through J-Bridge ... must be your system.

Have you updated every single driver for every component of your computer? All the BIOS for your Motherboard, Video Card, and Audio Card?

System specs ... we need to see some system specs. Otherwise, we can't really help you.





Welcome to the forum jscomposer.

Thanks for your willingness to help! The Z3ta thing isn't a big deal, but it would be nice to know what the issue is. Here are my specs:
 
i7 2700K
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3
32GB Ram
Win 7 Pro 64bit
Sonar X2 (haven't done the update yet, maybe that's the issue??)
3 x 1TB HDD
2 x 128GB SSD
Video: AMD Radeon HD 6500
 
Thanks! Any suggestions appreciated.

jscomposer

Bub

jscomposer

The only time it crashed was when I used the 32bit version of Z3ta through J-Bridge (not sure why, but it doesn't like it).

Works fine here through J-Bridge ... must be your system.

Have you updated every single driver for every component of your computer? All the BIOS for your Motherboard, Video Card, and Audio Card?

System specs ... we need to see some system specs. Otherwise, we can't really help you.





Welcome to the forum jscomposer.

Thanks for your willingness to help! The Z3ta thing isn't a big deal, but it would be nice to know what the issue is. Here are my specs:
 
i7 2700K
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3
32GB Ram
Win 7 Pro 64bit
Sonar X2 (haven't done the update yet, maybe that's the issue??)
3 x 1TB HDD
2 x 128GB SSD
Video: AMD Radeon HD 6500
 
Thanks! Any suggestions appreciated.

I was being sarcastic. ;) That's why I put the smiley's in there.

But the real question is ... why are you running Z3ta through Jbridge? It's 64bit. If you are running a 64bit system, you should be using the 64bit version of Z3ta ... Y/N/M?

One day I inadvertently chose the bridged plugin, and that's when the crash happened (not enough coffee that day). I also run a 32bit version of Sonar for some older sessions that use a bunch of my older plugins.
 
Anyways, I have vistied the J-bridge sight and....problem solved! See item item number 14 in the link below if you're interested.
 
JBridge Troubleshooting
 
So there you have it, not even a Cakewalk issue. Just another reason I love this DAW!
 
 

The VC++ redistributables have been installed as Side-by-Side assemblies since VC++ 2005. There are multiple copies of those DLLs in your c:\windows\WinSxS directory and programs declare either a specific version to load or ask for the most recent minor version. It can even handle locally installed copies of these DLLs. The DLL Hell scenario you describe doesn't apply.

Not to say there can't still be problems with this system. Most of the search results from your suggested term seem to be related to having the proper redist packages installed or installed correctly.