I didn't want to bump the new negative thread posted obviously to start another fiasco so I started this...

I saw it mentioned that you can't track audio using an onboard soundcard because of latency. However...


Onboard sound card will track audio just fine. Latency will only be an issue for input monitoring of realtime effects and playing/recording softsynths/midi without a noticable lag.


Most people don't use input monitoring anyways because even with asio drivers the small amount of latency sounds wierd like a flangy/chorus.


In my past experience anyways.

depends what you mean recording :)

sure a stereo track in a wave editor isn't a biggy..  it does partly have something to do with the quality of the hardware though regardless.. (the whole USB mic thing.. IMHO it's more forgiving if you have a decent asio card still. as thats only dealing with audio in)

fairly cheap card for tracking isn't that much vs the hassle.  I just find it a false economy after spending so much on other things and skimping on that :)

Most people don't use input monitoring anyways because even with asio drivers the small amount of latency sounds wierd like a flangy/chorus.

Not my experience. With my Delta44, I get about 5.8ms latency and its usable and it sounds fine. Even though that's an old audio interface, its still a lot better than the built-in sound chips that come with the computer. If that's what you're using, that could explain the deteriorated sound you're hearing. 

Fog


depends what you mean recording :)

sure a stereo track in a wave editor isn't a biggy..  it does partly have something to do with the quality of the hardware though regardless.. (the whole USB mic thing.. IMHO it's more forgiving if you have a decent asio card still. as thats only dealing with audio in)

fairly cheap card for tracking isn't that much vs the hassle.  I just find it a false economy after spending so much on other things and skimping on that :)

Obviously you can only record the number of tracks at once as you have inputs. But tracks line up fine when tracking\overdubing. That was my point.


Onboard audio card always worked fine for me when I was first starting. Long time ago. And I know people that still use them fine.


Agree with the notion that if your going to invest in a program like Sonar it only makes sense to invest in an interface.


But I'm just clearifying that it works fine. I see people always jump on someones back saying you need a pro interface and that's your problem. Not always the case.

daveny5

Most people don't use input monitoring anyways because even with asio drivers the small amount of latency sounds wierd like a flangy/chorus.

Not my experience. With my Delta44, I get about 5.8ms latency and its usable and it sounds fine. Even though that's an old audio interface, its still a lot better than the built-in sound chips that come with the computer. If that's what you're using, that could explain the deteriorated sound you're hearing. 

My specs arn't there for my benefit. Just saying...


No deterioration in sound mentioned. Mentioned latency on the input monitoring. Sounds like a delay set up with a very quick echo time causing an almost chorus like effect. I bet if I checked your interface on your computer I could hear input monitoring latency no problem. Bugs most people. 

My point  was that when  using an onboard sound card input monitoring is useless because of  the horrible latency of the drivers used wih these cards. I think now onboard sound cards even support asio. When I was using them I had to use mms as  driver mode. But regardless, input monitoring is not needed. Most people don't even use it even with a good sound card because even at a latency  of 5.8ms it is easily detectible and felt. Maybe it's ok for like a reverb set to 100 percent wet or a delay. But that's about it.

Do you use input monitoring? You have to turn it on per track. So like you can hear effects in the effects bin on your input? Like your mic?


But regardless, input monitoring is not needed to record.

For reference the post I'm talking about is by Bub in the Leaving Sonar in Droves thread....

I am not defending the guy. But ... you should have no problem whatsoever using your onboard Realtek audio card for using software like Mixcraft as long as you don't try to record real time. I used nothing but my Realtek audio card for months, and I remixed/remastered some projects that were 50 tracks. I never used it to record audio, but I never had an issue with playback, which is essentially all you are doing if you are just manipulating loops.

Hello Bub. LOL.

I'm saying recording audio in realtime using onboard soundcard works fine.


But due to the latency of these cards driver mode input monitoring and playing\recording soft synths in real time due to latency will not be possible. Mos people don't use input monitoring anyways.


My experience with onboard audio was a long time ago and you had to use mme. But now I think I've seen where onboard soundcards support ASIO. So perhaps now latency is no longer a problem with onboard soundcards. I don't know.