My experience with FireWire And Microsoft has been good for both audio interfaces listed in my specs and dv cameras.

I think a problem, as mentioned, is some FireWire chipset manufacturers used by motherboard manufactures didn't follow the Texas Instrument FireWire architecture correctly and has nothing to do with microsoft. But as long as your chipset manufacture lists TI compliance it should not be a problem. 

I helped a friends computer resolve general GUI glitchiness by installing a TI compliant FireWire card rather then using the ports on the motherboard. So it looks as if all the TI chipset stuff may be true. 

As far as FireWire being dead, there still seems to me a lot of current hardware using it. Apple replaced FireWire ports on recent models with the Thunderbolt port. But Thunderbolt is supposed to be backwards compatible with FireWire but an adapter is needed. How well this works I have no idea. 

WDI


My experience with FireWire And Microsoft has been good for both audio interfaces listed in my specs and dv cameras.

I think a problem, as mentioned, is some FireWire chipset manufacturers used by motherboard manufactures didn't follow the Texas Instrument FireWire architecture correctly and has nothing to do with microsoft. But as long as your chipset manufacture lists TI compliance it should not be a problem. 

I helped a friends computer resolve general GUI glitchiness by installing a TI compliant FireWire card rather then using the ports on the motherboard. So it looks as if all the TI chipset stuff may be true. 

As far as FireWire being dead, there still seems to me a lot of current hardware using it. Apple replaced FireWire ports on recent models with the Thunderbolt port. But Thunderbolt is supposed to be backwards compatible with FireWire but an adapter is needed. How well this works I have no idea. 

Yes..but trying to pin exact cause for my computer's disabilities and others is like trying to catch one rain drop out of a down poor...it is so convoluted with technical defective probabilities and assumptions so far...
 
Believing mostly that these things we buy actually work as advertized...if they keep fixing it...is it really stable or finished or a complete product ?....is where I may end up believing more not in believing in them, as I have gone through steinberg in the early years,Atari, then Pc win 95 a,b,c up until win98se...and trashed them...and moved on to win xp and now 7...and it is still being updated as of today...and win 8 is now pushing in..for another round of fix and updates...and ofcourse more money!...and who is left holding the Rat in the end....well people who buy in try to make it work...if they can`t....then a coder may help..where MS will not...as I was just informed someone is trying to fix the very thing broken..is the code..they keep not addressing..or constantly updating to cover up...until the next release...which is then charged for again...and again...and again...which means it is not about stabilty anymore..or making the best of the best...it is about keeping people on the hook while they soak the cash out of pockets....Seems the new trend and policy not spoken or even eluded to...but seems to be...more about updates..then getting it working in the first place as advertized....eh...just too many veriables...I want to try to cut through to find that one culpret...so it can be addressed....cause I am loosing more hair!..and it just started coming back in...

Sir Les

WDI


My experience with FireWire And Microsoft has been good for both audio interfaces listed in my specs and dv cameras.

I think a problem, as mentioned, is some FireWire chipset manufacturers used by motherboard manufactures didn't follow the Texas Instrument FireWire architecture correctly and has nothing to do with microsoft. But as long as your chipset manufacture lists TI compliance it should not be a problem. 

I helped a friends computer resolve general GUI glitchiness by installing a TI compliant FireWire card rather then using the ports on the motherboard. So it looks as if all the TI chipset stuff may be true. 

As far as FireWire being dead, there still seems to me a lot of current hardware using it. Apple replaced FireWire ports on recent models with the Thunderbolt port. But Thunderbolt is supposed to be backwards compatible with FireWire but an adapter is needed. How well this works I have no idea. 

Yes..but trying to pin exact cause for my computer's disabilities and others is like trying to catch one rain drop out of a down poor...it is so convoluted with technical defective probabilities and assumptions so far...
 
Believing mostly that these things we buy actually work as advertized...if they keep fixing it...is it really stable or finished or a complete product ?....is where I may end up believing more not in believing in them, as I have gone through steinberg in the early years,Atari, then Pc win 95 a,b,c up until win98se...and trashed them...and moved on to win xp and now 7...and it is still being updated as of today...and win 8 is now pushing in..for another round of fix and updates...and ofcourse more money!...and who is left holding the Rat in the end....well people who buy in try to make it work...if they can`t....then a coder may help..where MS will not...as I was just informed someone is trying to fix the very thing broken..is the code..they keep not addressing..or constantly updating to cover up...until the next release...which is then charged for again...and again...and again...which means it is not about stabilty anymore..or making the best of the best...it is about keeping people on the hook while they soak the cash out of pockets....Seems the new trend and policy not spoken or even eluded to...but seems to be...more about updates..then getting it working in the first place as advertized....eh...just too many veriables...I want to try to cut through to find that one culpret...so it can be addressed....cause I am loosing more hair!..and it just started coming back in...

Really feel for ya.  If you'd like, I'll try and help.   First best thing to start would be to grab Speccy ( http://www.piriform.com/speccy) and run it on your system.  Go to File->Save to save a copy of the report once it finishes and either post it here or PM me for my email.  We can try and take it from there if you wish.

Best,
guitardood

That's easily overcome. Always use the previous version of a major release.

I've been using two different FW interfaces on two different PCs for 3 years with zero issues.
 
Don't know if this is the magic recipe, but I disable the onboard FW (regardless of who makes the chipset), and invested in two SIIG PCI FW cards (TI chipset) - cost about $20 each.  Popped them in, using the MS drivers, and they have worked like a charm.
 
Of course, the quality of the interface drivers play an important role too.
 
 
 

I am now on my XP system...

Well I just pulled the system apart, to get into the heart of what I may have forgotten is in there....So she is not accessable right now to install or download to.....

I have made a very obvious mistake..now that I can see the physical Drives...they all say 3gbps which would means they are Sata II type WD black drives....So it ain't bottlenecking at that point of concern....as I thought they were sata III drives on sata II ports....SO all should be well there then there eh matie?...well as should be as specified..so no problem with them....

What I now notice is the firewire is on a PCI-e Port, and My UAD Solo Is also on a PCI-e port.....does this cause a problem?.

I was about to put in a Sata 3.0 6gbps add on card..to address my Sata drives..and decided to pull the drives out to see for sure what they are..

All PCI-e slots are full...So...eni meani mini moe one of them has got to go?....well I need them both more than the Sata card..as I do not have sata 3 drives to address it...tosses out of mind...reformulates....conquers intent..ponders new stratigies...and loss of dosh...

See I am using SSD as a main drive on sata3 motherboard ports.....going to slower sata 2 drives....(now verified)..is this a problem?...bottlenecking something that is streaming large amounts of Data to them slower drives?

Also Now verified visually...the LaCie 800 firewire does indeed have the TI chip on it..(visual comfirmation)..So that is now addressed as affermitive safe to use...as recommended ...right?

The last thing to do is change the Allen & heath Driver..to the older one...

So...that might be next once I put her back together, again....lol...no duck tape regiured...

Don't feel bad...This is getting to be routinely amusing....I love when people come together to help eachother..even if they cannot...or do not think they are..just coming together can solve a problem sometimes ...sometimes without knowing it is being done...the spirit is healed....so Blessings back to all!.

So bare with me...I am not loosing hair for nothing...and while I have lots to loose...there is no stress anymore..and if there is stress they got wonder pills now....pink they tell me..

What does seem to bother me, is when there are issues with code or drivers...I have no clue what to do other than update or downgrade..or restore point...or wipe it all out and start a new......I would write my own drivers...But the books are way too thick for me to pick up and read with my blurry eyes....

Another problem is why do they write things so small these days?....oh yah to hide behind the almost blind trying to read em, NO doubt.....lol...

Well I am relearning my system visually...and making big changes soon.

I am gonna build another monster...With more of the same old.....wink wink...and I might just do the revert back to previous version...more often than not this time round.

Again thank you all for trying to help...I think I am on the right track with firewire and drivers and MS...cause this has been years in formulation in my head...now posted to see if it holds any water...
Yes..I am a novice to ...but I have been around the bush...more than you know...and still goin....ah the path ..same old path for me....wonder why?....bad code!...it has been that way almost as long as I have been playing with computers...and it is still goin on today!....so we all know it...and we try to believe in them systems...and we do try to be patient and allow them to address that BAD CODE...and whala...updates!...Hay Xp has updates today for me...see.

LOL

Sir Les,
   Couple of things off the top of my head.  Check in your BIOS for the PCIE speeds  (usually found under either northbridge or south bridge settings, don't remember off the top of my head).  My ASUS boards have an option to have the non-graphics PCIE slots operate in either X2 mode or Compatible.  The MOTU PCI-424 I'm using would not function properly in X2 mode which was also the default for the mobo.  Perhaps this could be a problem with your firewire card also?

   Also while in BIOS, make sure that you have your SATA controller in AHCI (though you sound like you know a bit about your system, just being thorough) and not compatible or legacy or ATA mode as that could surely cause HD performance issues.  Also, if I were testing with a machine that is open, I might try swapping the UAD and Firewire card slots and see if that makes a difference.  It shouldn't but it certainly could.

   Best of luck to you and let us know of your success.

Best,
guitardood

Just in case you're not aware of this, only SSDs can profit from Sata III (6gbs) ports. A HDD that says it's Sata III doesn't really mean much as it will never go fast enough to saturate even a Sata II (3gbs) port. So you only need as many Sata III ports as you have SSDs.

And Marvell controlled Sata III ports might not count, depending on the chip used.

So it is with this sort of thing...and problems I have had over the many years trying to use Firewire in windows anything with MUSIC SOFTWARE, to be the most unstable platform..so far...oh I did find a few software programs that worked great...but the bigger more powerful ones...I have yet to tame on my setups....could be something to do with that port perhaps?.....well let see by the posts put here....and then we can answer possibly why so many have issues...and perhaps not....worth a try?

I've had the opposite problem. USB interfaces frustrated me. I've had the FW-1884 for years and it has been ROCK SOLID.


I guess everyone's mileage varies.

Guitardood...that could be the ticket...never went there with any techi yet...So I will be rereading the manual again to understand PCI-e speeds...and set that right...asap...this could be my problem...as all my mobos are Asus..and I have alot of em..and another one soon to be built...So that is vital info....thanks.

Well I think I did do the ACHI thing..as the other stuff left to select was Raid or IDE....So that was a easy choice to make...for me.

Sweetwater sound tech David told me to turn off the VT features in Bios (for Protools) and the JMB controller...Did that..and I turned the VT back on last night......Just to see..and I turned on the JMB controller soon after, Installed all the mobo latest Drivers, Updated the Bios...and then turned things off again....Not sure is Sonar is effected by these things?....anyway..onwards and sideways...But I will look into that more later on...as I do not believe in crippling a CPU.

Would just ssd drives be a better option for performance?..they are getting real cheap these days....Just a thought, any chimers on that idea?

Thanks again!..great tips!