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2013/02/07 00:05:35
Sir Les
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So it is with this sort of thing...and problems I have had over the many years trying to use Firewire in windows anything with MUSIC SOFTWARE, to be the most unstable platform..so far...oh I did find a few software programs that worked great...but the bigger more powerful ones...I have yet to tame on my setups....could be something to do with that port perhaps?.....well let see by the posts put here....and then we can answer possibly why so many have issues...and perhaps not....worth a try?
 

I've had the opposite problem. USB interfaces frustrated me. I've had the FW-1884 for years and it has been ROCK SOLID.


I guess everyone's mileage varies.
Yes the M audio 1814 and the 610 have graced my xp 32bit systems with great results in Acid Pro 7..and other music software of the time...and I still have the 1814 working flawlessly with that xp system today...although XP is becoming bloated, and sluggish after 5 years of service and MS updates...The CCLEANER mentioned above...FIXED it Today!!!....So Thanks again!!..WOW this Xp system is flying agian.
 
That Xp system is using a older TI firewire card to...See..I always read up before I buy..and I try to buy the best at the moment of ...But that soon changes when updates are automatically applied...So be careful..things/settings change sometimes when doing so....And uninstalling can leave nasties in the reg.....
 
So yes I have had some bliss with XP 32 bit and firewire cards with Audio apps....never used the onboard firewire stuff Yet...partly due to my reading into things before I buy em....But one can still get shanghied....and I have been from time to time.
So buyer beware...is wise to pratice.
 
The problem now is with win 7 64bit and issues with crashing in record mode..with allen and heath zed r16, Acid mostly (not 64bit) and sluggish performance in Sonar X2a....as I did not read the update list of fixes, I just applied the updates, as I was a new comer, and while downloading the extras given up oneday..I saw the update...So I installed it, with the hopes to oneday get it up and running....which was last week....not very good so far on 10 tracks for one hour or so....very sluggish, and I noticed harddrive performance spikes (which may be the cause of Acid Crashing)
And that leaves noise on the recordings...in all DAWS!...
 
So Just tweaking things might solve...Finding the problem or root cause is where I am trying to Solve for...before I build the next one....LOL...testing testing testing.
2013/02/07 00:19:44
Sir Les
Thanks for the SATA INFO...Paul!!
2013/02/07 00:30:44
Sir Les
I was told studio grade recordings start with this setting 88.2mghz at 24 bit... I am going to be recording 16 tracks at once..which this Mixing board ZED r16 allows for...but is my system setup right?...is the software capable?...and is the OS tweaked correctly?..and are all my drivers working correctly...like I said so many veriables....so back to the drawing board..with all of your imput..to build it back.

SSDs are new to this system, I put em in last month...and changed the bigger M4 256 for the coursair Performance 128 which was getting full with my love for DAWS THAT WORK WELL...or are suppose to..(protools 9?..nah!..not 64bit so it may be that or some setting?) I will reinstall perhaps on a dual boot drive with win 7 32bit and see if I can crash it....was was simple enough to do in win 7 64bit, Just had to click on the shortcut...and wait for it to try to load up...on a fully tweaked to spec system.....Yah $699.00 and soon after that release of 9, they offered 3 updates, and then 10 came out for a $299.00 upgrade fee...they havent fixed it yet..as I see another patch or update is already with em......So is my theory proving itself?...hmmmm Steinberg all the way to the bank.....same old same old.....But lets try to fix it by finding the root cause...and maybe we won't need updates anymore????..perhaps?
2013/02/07 11:28:55
Sir Les
About PCI-E BIOS settings.
Upon reading the Manual and checking them settings...I do not understand the limited info about what these settings do..and or how to set em up right with what I have installed...

I have a selection to make here pci-e spread spectrum=auto. or diabled...set to auto

pci-e frequency .. 100 or 200.
set to= 100 setting...as default.

also using xmp bios setting, that takes alot of guess work out of the fiddle.
no OC .
 speed stepping=diabled

onboard firewire = disabled

Onboard Lan = on and off depending on what I want to do..for internet UPDATES.

Sweetwater sound musical instrument store's Tech "David" Told me, and resent his tweeks in a e-mail, for MS win 7 for Avid's Protools 9.0 setup.

As I was having issues with the m-powered version on XP since version 7 up until 8.5...and wanted to upgrade to the full program, but not the HD version, as ver 9.0 was being tooted as working with WIN 7 and any Audio device...
( new ASUS build of mine for audio only for Protools)...So not alot of things going on in that setup...no luck.
 
I had to remove the redundant software form my system to make space for working rivals now, as I lost interest in trying to make PT 9 work.

One of the tips or tweeks to the bois had me perplexed..turning off the VT Virtualization tech..which is a intel cpu inbedded feature.
Not sure what uses it, for software developement?...is it necessary to have on?...the defaut was enabled....so...I set it to disable as prescibed...Protools crashed when installing for the first time....which put me into fits of panic..
As the new very expensive computer system with only Win 764bit and all updates done, went into blue mode... and in trying to install protools 9...was a big worry..So..I wiped out the drive, and started over..Got the forums up, and what do you know..lots of very upset people were there!

So I waited for the updates...As no one seemed to be able to help me...without seeing my specs first...So I was told to install sisoft sandra and post them specs....took a while to learn how to use, and copy to clipboard..and paste in the window...once done, I had no replies!...funny how.. I got more attention when I did not post them specs.

So I got some updates...they were of no help for me...as the same issues became less, but still buggy on occasion it would crash loading up..and a blue crash...So that is not a good thing...told to uninstall, delete the plugins folder....or something like that, and reinstall.....and that did nothing for me either...also waves Plug ins also seemed to cause a problem in my further attemps to set up my DAW for mastering...Now if I go to version 10, I have to buy the new plugin standards....so it is not just 299.00 it is a re hash of all my plug ins...it gets expensive...see?... 

This is where I decided to try Acid Pro 7, while reading up on REASON and RECORD...Propellerhead stuff 64bit...tried the demo...and bought it eventually....works pritty well..had some crashes in the beginning..do not use it much for recording, but the midi stuff in it is fantastic.
oK...MORE HUNTING.

Someone said Try Sonar x1...and I tried the demo...seemed to work with out issues with Focusrite pro 40...and I installed it...

Being well versed in Acid enough to mix and master...I turned towards that for the now coming clients who wanted to make a demo...Well We got through that , with some positive results using the Focusrite pro 40...But when I got the new ZED mixer in...well the problems got worse...and crashing while recording 16 tracks at high bit rates surely makes a mess on the drives it is being recorded to....right?...so this could cause data corruption on other data saved on that drive....right?...not a good thing to be goin on in house.

So...I need to address this...cause I have now bought in on Reason, and Sonar, and Protools, Fruity loops, Mixcraft, ACID AND SONY PRODUCTS....and I have tried other stuff like mixcraft on xp...and ofcourse my savior Acid pro 7  not working well with Zed...and is kinda buggy in the newer build using more memory than ACID can address, and having it non native to 64bit may cause issues with performance Of 32bit apps....right?

So I think I am stricking stones..making assesments..and finding error here and there....So my system may be part of the problem...

How does one define or resolve it, if they keep changing Drivers, OS inplimentation, Standards, and software coding...?...see the convoluted mess?...very hard to define the cause...So the only way is to ask others who have made the step into blissssss....and try their formulas of setup....it may make things work..or not work...

Just Got my new full tower cases delieverd..and am gonna rebuild the old machine now...I might just move completely to ssd soon..I see one ATA 512 SSD for under $400.00..but I have to read more on em...to see the reviews.
I think for now, I might go buy a WD sata 3 plater drive of 1tb...to open up the speed limitations on the recording drives...Just to see...as they are cheaper for the testing....if this resolves something of the harddrive performance spikes...it could be the nail I am looking for...to kill the Bugs...Now all I need is a hammer...oh no, forgot, more money tooooo!...see?...

But THANK YOU ALL...Keep posting up intel...and resolves or issue incountered...they help everyone,... if they work or are not known..but revealed!

Blessings!
2013/02/07 11:46:54
Sir Les
OH OF OTHER NOTE in TWEEKING.

Harddrive indexing for fast file searching...right click the drive, and find the general page with this box checked....Avid techs say to uncheck it..hit apply...Is this prudent or necessary for Sonar?.
2013/02/07 18:28:59
Splat
I turn off the indexing service completely... Resource hog.
2013/02/07 19:54:42
Sir Les
Thanks CakeAlexs...will do all Drives.

One other question has come up while posting here...and buying sata 3 PCI-E 1x add on card , that I believe I can impliment possibly on the system now being tweaked and rebuilt.
There are no other small PCI-e 1x slots left, as I have filled em up...But there is a PCI-E 16x/1x slot left unfilled..it is a longer slot that the add on card could go into?, But the manual says I can put scsi, and other cards including ata and such on that slot...16x/1x meaning?....I can put this card in?...seems to have the simular small part on one side, but the other side has fingers on it to, that would go onto the longer end of the beginning of the slot...

Reason being I have 2 x 128gb ssd drives I would like to add into the soup..at full speed ofcourse, and this addition could just help do that.

I bought a sata 3/6gbps 1tb WD Black today for the system being tweaked.
So that should cover any speed demons on recording performances.

Still doing the rebuild...just some drives to put back in, and she is rebuilt...not exactly as it was at first...

let me know if I can do that add on...and she will be up in a hour...or so.
2013/02/07 20:07:29
Sir Les
Just did a google on the PCI-e 16x/1x..seems it is a go go go...So I will grow more hair now...LOL.

Thanks.
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