• SONAR
  • Help, Please: Cannot Pan and Lost Master Faders. (p.3)
2013/02/03 16:23:03
Loptec
Do you have any plugins on the track you want to pan?

If you have a plugin in the FX-bin of the track, and this VST only support mono I think the pan function won't work.

Try and remove any VSTs on the track you want to pan and see if that works
2013/02/04 10:11:54
dank
Mike,

I'll check the Presonus virtual mixer tonight. Thanks for the possible heads ups.

Loptec,

I don't understand the issue that you're referring to with the VST. I do have plugins on most, if not all, tracks. Again, I'll have to check that tonight when I'm in front of the computer.
2013/02/04 12:19:52
digi2ns
Mornin' Dan,

Just out of curiousity if ya get time,

On this project can you;

Insert a new blank track-No effects,  Turn the Solo on on that track.

Insert a Wave of something you did earlier that is known to pan good,

Route that to the Master  with NO FX in the Master FX bin

And see what we come up with

Im curious to see what the meters do, if the pan differs in anyway with just this new solo'd track


Does any of your other projects that dont have a problem and they still work okay? 



There is another thread in Harware ChefMike started with pan probs,  he founf a Mono Stereo button on his interface that kept it from panning in SONAR.  This is kinda where I was heading with your.  Is it a button/setting in Sonar or the Interface.  Hopefully the inserting the track setup above will nail down which one it is.


2013/02/04 20:09:39
soens
Did you loose the faders while working in Sonar, or after opening a project?

Did you get the "Busses assigned to a silent output warning? upon opening the project?

If so, check Preferences to see if your audio device is listed and checked.

Steve
2013/02/05 02:51:10
Loptec
dank


Loptec,

I don't understand the issue that you're referring to with the VST. I do have plugins on most, if not all, tracks. Again, I'll have to check that tonight when I'm in front of the computer.


instead of explaining I can refer to another similar thread, where I suggested checking the active plugins on the buses / tracks. in this case a plugin was the reason why panning didn't work

http://forum.cakewalk.com...7&high=mono+plugin

edit:___
this only happens if you output a track to a bus with a mono-plugin and then try to pan the track, though. .. 

it shouldn't matter if you've got a mono-plugin on the track you want to pan.. (i was kind of tired when I wrote my previous post so I didn't think straigt.. sorry about that) :P 

I think (as suggested above) the best thing would be if you could post some screen shots of the project

2013/02/05 22:27:37
dank
Gentlemen,

I want to thank you very much for your kind assistance in trying to help me with the ongoing panning problem. I know that most, if not all, DAWs have a learning curve. I also know that I am never going to become a master engineer, like Geoff Emerick or a great producer ala George Martin or Quincy Jones. Creating, recording and performing music is my passion, not my career.

I am really perplexed and disappointed that I can't solve what I thought was a minor issue. I consider myself pretty tech savvy. I started playing
guitar just about 50 years ago, I have built and wired racks and racks of gear, built four recording studios and numerous PC-based systems. I also own and run the sound gear for my band, much of which is digital. 

When one struggles more with the recording software and hardware than with the musical creating process, it's time to step back and take a deep breath. Some of you may remember back in the day, Tascam Porta 05 machines were very popular. Then came the Tascam 644 and 688. You could record 8 tracks on a cassette! Unbelievable.

The next step up the ladder was pairing a Mackie 24/8 Buss recording desk with a Tascam DA-88, a digital tape machine. Brilliant.

By the mid-'90's, Digital Audio Workstations were all the rage. The Brain  of the system was the recording software, such as Cakewalk's Pro Audio. Newbies were treated to the experience of being strapped into an astronaught's spacesuit, being lowered in to the space cabin and flying the damn thing, simply by reading a manual.

It would soon become evident that manuals were written by those persons who have little of the knowledge that they are expected to espouse.

I have had a love/hate relationship with Cakewalk for over 16 or 17 years. I have decided that I will no longer pay annual upgrade fees for software that is for my passion,  not my my paying job. I bust myself all day as an attorney, and music is my savior, whether practicing with my band, performing a weekend evening show or just fleshing out ideas at home.

I am committed to the principle that if something does not go your way the first time around, give it a second chance. After that, move on.

With all of this said, I have a fairly high-end Apple IMac coming in for delivery . I should hear in the next couple of days.

I have spoken with Logic Pro users and they consistently speak well of this DAW- it is user friendly and demonstrates a logical means of use.
.
My love/hate relationship with Cakewalk will hopefully mellow over time, and I"ll be able to discuss  this particular issue with a genuine interest in the outcome.

In the meantime, the new iMac will arrive shortly, and I"ll run it through it paces.

Thank you.


 Dan



2013/02/06 03:47:46
Loptec
No screen shots and an iMac already on the way. 
..Feels like you already had your mind set on giving up.

But then again. maybe logic is the one for you (?)
Of course logic users will speak well of this daw and say it is user friendly and demonstrates a logical means of use.. why else would they use it?

Most people I've met that have had their first encounter with Logic find Logic the total opposite of logical, though. I've also had to work in this software a few times recently and I feel the same. I'm sure it's a learning curve thing though.

As stated so many times before, no daw is flawless.
Jumping to a different daw may solve things you don't like with your current one. But this will also, most sertainly, make you encounter new annoying things that may (or may not) be even more frustrating.

I hope you find the right daw for you, though. Because switching daw (with learning curves, new issues and everything in mind) just is time consuming and never lets you settle down and focus on what it all should be about; making music.


dank

Gentlemen,

I want to thank you very much for your kind assistance in trying to help me with the ongoing panning problem. I know that most, if not all, DAWs have a learning curve. I also know that I am never going to become a master engineer, like Geoff Emerick or a great producer ala George Martin or Quincy Jones. Creating, recording and performing music is my passion, not my career. 

I am really perplexed and disappointed that I can't solve what I thought was a minor issue. I consider myself pretty tech savvy. I started playing 
guitar just about 50 years ago, I have built and wired racks and racks of gear, built four recording studios and numerous PC-based systems. I also own and run the sound gear for my band, much of which is digital. 

When one struggles more with the recording software and hardware than with the musical creating process, it's time to step back and take a deep breath. Some of you may remember back in the day, Tascam Porta 05 machines were very popular. Then came the Tascam 644 and 688. You could record 8 tracks on a cassette! Unbelievable.

The next step up the ladder was pairing a Mackie 24/8 Buss recording desk with a Tascam DA-88, a digital tape machine. Brilliant.

By the mid-'90's, Digital Audio Workstations were all the rage. The Brain  of the system was the recording software, such as Cakewalk's Pro Audio. Newbies were treated to the experience of being strapped into an astronaught's spacesuit, being lowered in to the space cabin and flying the damn thing, simply by reading a manual.

It would soon become evident that manuals were written by those persons who have little of the knowledge that they are expected to espouse.

I have had a love/hate relationship with Cakewalk for over 16 or 17 years. I have decided that I will no longer pay annual upgrade fees for software that is for my passion,  not my my paying job. I bust myself all day as an attorney, and music is my savior, whether practicing with my band, performing a weekend evening show or just fleshing out ideas at home.

I am committed to the principle that if something does not go your way the first time around, give it a second chance. After that, move on.

With all of this said, I have a fairly high-end Apple IMac coming in for delivery . I should hear in the next couple of days.

I have spoken with Logic Pro users and they consistently speak well of this DAW- it is user friendly and demonstrates a logical means of use.
.
My love/hate relationship with Cakewalk will hopefully mellow over time, and I"ll be able to discuss  this particular issue with a genuine interest in the outcome.

In the meantime, the new iMac will arrive shortly, and I"ll run it through it paces.

Thank you.


Dan 

2013/02/06 11:04:42
dank
Loptec,

I hear you loud and clear, and I really do appreciate your efforts in trying to heklp me solve the issue. I haven't given up yet: I have on demo song left in Sonar that is not fully mastered and is plagued by the pan problem. I want to finish that project before I dismantle the PC from the studio. Wore comes to worse, it'll just be heard in mono. That, in and of itself, won't keep my band from getting gigs.

And Mike, thank you for your kind efforts, as well.

Best wishes to you.

Dan 
2013/02/06 11:42:37
digi2ns
Thanks you Dan,

Hope to see you around and hear some of your work in the songs forum as well once you get your new system or even some of your Sonar work.

Take care
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