Late to the party but... CC64 gets special treatment in SONAR and shows triangles to indicate up/down pedal events. Other controller types should show rectangular handles, and do in my X1c x64.

In any case, you should be able to select and delete controllers in the controller pane or erase them with the erase tool without affecting notes.

Hi brundlefly, thanks for posting. I'm even more confused now.......

While investigating my laptop to see if there's any setting differences I've come across something really bizarre.

This is a different project to the earlier one on my main DAW.

I have two tracks from a piano, one recorded from the right hand of a keyboard, the other is the left hand. Both have CC-64 data on them, I can see it in the track view and also as controller lines in the PRV both in the lane view and the main PRV window when I close all lanes.

However, despite having apparently identical settings, one is displaying the handles and the other isn't. I am perplexed as to what is happening and now I'm not so sure this is a bug but more likely user error.

Any ideas?

Here's a couple of screenshots with the menu open so you can see my settings. I'm very confused...........

With the handles first...........





and the other track same settings without......... WTF?






I'm very confused, any ideas much appreciated.

EDIT: I've just realised that they are both the same tracks which just confuses me even more. If I open the LH piano in the PRV that is showing the handles, the controller handles do show on the LH track though. Bizzare....

For CC64 sustain, I think the triangles should show regardless of the state of Show Handles. The second screenshot might be demonstrating the bug I'm seeing that controllers can be shown in the wrong lane. Is there another controller type in that track besides CC64 that's set to 127 at the measure boundaries?

Here's a screenshot showing CC1 Modulation controllers in the Velocity lane (I deliberately set all the velocities at 100 so you can see then above the controllers). And I can generate others showing Velocity in every lane. 

Thanks for the reply. The only controller data I have on the tracks is the cc-64.

I am seeing the random velocity lines showing up in lanes that you are but can't seem to get a recipe, it's almost like a redraw issue.

The handles thing is really bugging me now. I'm on my laptop so ruled out the x64 theory but it is so random I just can't fathom it.

It may be screenset specific because in some screensets I don't see the handles while in others it works perfectly. In some I get them in one PRV but if I open another PRV I don't. I'm currently going crazy trying to see if I can come up with a sequence or set of conditions that re-produces it.

As you can see from my screenshots I've got two PRVs open with the same track in both, identical settings and one is showing the handles the other isn't. It doesn't matter which PRV is locked or not or which track is in which, one of the PRVs displays the handles the other doesn't.

Oh oh, I think FBB has opened up a can of worms here. This does not look good!

This is crazy.

I've got two PRVs open in the same screenset with the same track visible in both. Settings in both PRVs are identical set to show handles. Only one is though. Both are now unlocked.

I've just drawn some modulation data in a lane in the one showing the handles, they are displayed as expected. If I switch to the other PRV I see the modulation data but with no handles.

I think I'll try and send this project to CW so they can see it for themselves. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Oh oh, I think FBB has opened up a can of worms here. This does not look good!

Hey, at least it's not just X1; I can reproduce the problem in 8.5. 


I've always found the controller lane functionality to be a little... unpredictable. But I don't do a lot of manual editing of controllers so it's easy for me to ignore.

Your screen shots and FBB's are the best evidence for a complete redo of all the MIDI in X1. Then maybe we can get a full score editor too. 

I have never seen a CC lane with the wrong CC in it before.

I am seeing the random velocity lines showing up in lanes that you are but can't seem to get a recipe, it's almost like a redraw issue.

My recipe is simply to add a new controller lane of any type. It will always show velocities in it until I close and re-open the PRV.