Notation has been dropped - Aint it ?
It must feel a bit like being on death row, just hanging around for the end.




Garry

Just switch to Cubase. If I ever get the money to do it, I'm on it in a heartbeat, not because Sonar is bad, it just doesn't cater to the way I work like Cubase does. I got harnessed to Cakewalk way back in the Pro Audio 6 days, it's a whale of a lot cheaper to upgrade than to buy a different product. But unless Cakewalk starts addressing articulation switching and notation the way Steinberg has...

robert_e_bone


To the Bakers:

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE understand how CRITICAL it is for a large number of folks here!

It desperately needs some developer time devoted to it.

Bakers - if you were to start a thread seeking a laundry list of particulars people would like created or fixed for Staff View, perhaps a FEW of the most asked for ones could get done.  Maybe something small to build or fix is something that would greatly ease the suffering that folks go through trying to use this method of data entry, but not require a large development effort. (maybe just a slight tweak to a function, for example).  The way to know is to ask for that information from the forum folks, and then see if can be done.

This would be a HUGE deal for this group of folks.

PLEASE at least devote a thread to finding out what people are most asking for with Staff View - that requires an insignificant expenditure of resource - post the thread and take a look at the results, and then decide if anything can be reasonably delivered.

Bob Bone

 
I believe that Cakewalk truly understands that this is a huge deal for a group of folks.
 
My understanding from tracking the staff view issues for years is that the program code behind the staff view is no longer modifiable - even to fix or change the most minute behavior.
 
It could be:
 
1) Cakewalk has lost or no longer has the legal rights to the SV source code.  (Up until August, 2001, Overture, a notation / MIDI playback program which was spun off to a company called Genie Soft, now Sonic Scores).
 
Whether Cakewalk Pro Audio / Sonar used any of the Overature code is anyone's guess.
 
2) There is no compatible language compiler for the source code for anything but Windows 3.1.
 
3) Or Cakewalk just doesn't see the point of editing MIDI data on a staff (kidding).
 
Whatever the situation, the effort to make even the smallest change to the SV would require either a large programming effort, to re-write from the ground up, or an acquisition of a new notation codebase which could be integrated into Sonar X. 
 
I suspect Cakewalk does not see a return on their investment.
 
It would be nice if Cakewalk checked with their users to confirm their assumptions.
 
At the very least, it would be a nice gesture to get the Staff View working  they way it did in Sonar 7 - 8.5.  This, IMHO, would not be a huge effort. 

> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE understand how CRITICAL it is for a large number of folks here!
 
 
Surely you would go and get third party notation software if it was that critical... 
 
Maybe they should replace it with the forums software..(OK now I'm in trouble)...

CakeAlexS


> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE understand how CRITICAL it is for a large number of folks here!
 
 
Surely you would go and get third party notation software if it was that critical... 
 
Maybe they should replace it with the forums software..(OK now I'm in trouble)...

@CakeAlexS - Love your avatar.  I'm a huge fan.
 
3rd party notation is great for printing.
 
However, I believe there are a lot of Sonar users who would like to insert / edit / delete MIDI notes WITHIN Sonar, and not have to switch back and forth between programs. 

Bristol_Jonesey

Jlien X

SvenArne

Jlien X

mleghorn


They've made updates and bug fixes to PRV in X1 and X2

Yeah, they UNNECESSARILY introduced the silly rounded note shape. 

They do make it easier to see when notes are overlapping!

Well, they could have just added the "Delete Double Notes" feature, which Studio One has.

That wouldn't work for me - sometimes (mostly?) all I want to do is to shorten the length of an overlapping note so that it ends before the next one begins.

In any case, what is so silly about having rounded edges?

That's why I requested this "Legato and Overlap Correction" feature (available in Studio One v2.5) in another thread: 

    The Length dialog (change note lengths) contains three new modes: 
    Legato: Note lengths are enlarged until they reach the desired overlap with the next event. Note lengths are never shortened. 
    Overlap correction: Note lengths are shortened if there is an overlap with another note. 
    Legato + Overlap correction: All notes lengths are set to the start of the next note. 

http://forum.cakewalk.com...px?m=2767011&high=

As for the shape, it's all about aesthetic taste. Look at the Console View, Track View and Control Bar in Sonar. They are all beautiful (they are mostly right-angled). Then look at the rounded thing in PRV. I just sigh. If it was Cubase or Reaper, it'd suit very well. But this is Sonar. Beautiful Sonar... ("Silly" was inappropriate. Sorry)

I agree get rid of them both. Who needs them? If I want to work with midi I’ll enter the data freehand in the event list.
:-)

I use Cakewalk Voicemail forever. Sadly the product appears discontinued....

> "If I want to work with midi I’ll enter the data freehand in the event list. :-) " I actually do this. I use PRV too, but 50/50 with EV (for real). I actually can give you a laundry list of things that I hate about EV in version X2a, (it is for real dumbed down compared to how it USED to work in Pro Audio - 10+ years ago - not kidding) - but I sometimes feel like I am the only one who uses EV extensively, and no one wants to hear another b!tch thread, so I mostly just keep it to myself. I empathize with the SV users. But I would pay good money for the EV to go back to the way it worked many versions ago.

Is everybody aware that the world's greatest Notation software (Sibelius) will very likely be no more within a couple of years?  Avid bought it and have just announced that they have sacked the entire development team (all 7 of them in London) and have no plans to replace them...although (I kid you not) there are some reports of job ads in the Ukraine (!!) 

Sibelius mad est $18M last year and is the only department of AVID in profit....word is Chainsaw Al Dunlap type execs (who upped their Salary to $4M) plan to just drain it and stop proper development/spending altogether till the income dries up.

Please, Please Roland save Sibelius from AVID and link it to Sonar :-)