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2013/01/31 23:21:29
Paul P
Would it be possible to create a generic VST notation plugin ? I've seen the idea mentioned several times on the net but it's never developed further. One could be written that would work in any daw. If I was retired that's the sort of thing I would enjoy looking into.
2013/01/31 23:41:12
noynekker
slartabartfast



If I want to work with midi I’ll enter the data freehand in the event list.



I am guessing you do not work with midi all that much. You could record audio by manually writing in each sample value too, but I am assuming you probably prefer to have that process computer-automated to improve your workflow. I could live without the ability to record sound into Sonar at all, but I am not proposing that capability be dropped.


I came to Cakewalk software from early versions of CSound, and I have abandoned the flexibility and power of that program for the convenience of using a DAW. For whatever reason, Cakewalk does not seem to be interested in making it easy for people who want an efficient way to convert notation into midi. I suspect such people are a very small minority of users compared to those who want to string together snippets of other people's songs or repeat inane musical phrases ad nauseum.


Development decisions at Cakewalk are not going to be much influenced by a small number of people venting their frustration on this or any other forum. 

I want Staff View improvements, and I don't think it's a "small" number of users who use the Staff view, since there have been many lively threads about all this. I think a lot of folks on this Forum base some of their purchasing decisions on what they read here on the Forums . . . so wouldn't it make sense for Cakewalk developers to pay some attention to the opinions on the Forum ?
2013/02/01 00:59:33
rabeach
noynekker


slartabartfast



If I want to work with midi I’ll enter the data freehand in the event list.



I am guessing you do not work with midi all that much. You could record audio by manually writing in each sample value too, but I am assuming you probably prefer to have that process computer-automated to improve your workflow. I could live without the ability to record sound into Sonar at all, but I am not proposing that capability be dropped.


I came to Cakewalk software from early versions of CSound, and I have abandoned the flexibility and power of that program for the convenience of using a DAW. For whatever reason, Cakewalk does not seem to be interested in making it easy for people who want an efficient way to convert notation into midi. I suspect such people are a very small minority of users compared to those who want to string together snippets of other people's songs or repeat inane musical phrases ad nauseum.


Development decisions at Cakewalk are not going to be much influenced by a small number of people venting their frustration on this or any other forum. 

I want Staff View improvements, and I don't think it's a "small" number of users who use the Staff view, since there have been many lively threads about all this. I think a lot of folks on this Forum base some of their purchasing decisions on what they read here on the Forums . . . so wouldn't it make sense for Cakewalk developers to pay some attention to the opinions on the Forum ?
IMHO if cakewalk could update the Staff View they would have, they have not addressed any issues that I'm aware of but a print issue since sonar 1. 

2013/02/01 01:29:33
Freddie H
I use PRV ="Piano Roll View"  all the time. How would I move and edit my midi data? Event list? Event list is good on other things keep that too thank you! 
2013/02/01 01:40:09
Susan G
Hi-

Alex Westner said years ago that CW was going to update the Staff View. In SONAR 6 they:
Added a track list view pane to the staff view, similar to the one in the PRV. Lets you view any number of tracks and set a track active or set its MSR state.



That was pretty much the last significant update, AFAIK. We still have the same well-documented problems with triplets, rests, yada-yada.



I really believe development of the SV has been abandoned at this point. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised some time in the future.


-Susan
2013/02/01 03:22:13
mudgel
Hello Susan G; Haven't seen you around these parts for what seems like such a long time. G'day.
2013/02/01 08:38:49
Freddie H
mudgel


Hello Susan G; Haven't seen you around these parts for what seems like such a long time. G'day.


+1
2013/02/01 10:04:40
garrigus
Hey Susan,

How've you been? Did you jump on the SONAR X1 or X2 bandwagon?

Scott

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2013/02/01 14:14:40
Jimbo 88
Paul P


Would it be possible to create a generic VST notation plugin ? I've seen the idea mentioned several times on the net but it's never developed further. One could be written that would work in any daw. If I was retired that's the sort of thing I would enjoy looking into.

You can Rewire any notation software into Sonar with this:
 
http://www.energy-xt.com/index.php?id=0115
 
The problem is...it only works with one midi track at a time.  So you'd have to have say,...16 instances of a notation software loaded at a time to do 16 instruments and then you don't have a score.
2013/02/01 17:50:49
Susan G
Thanks guys :).

@Scott: No, I haven't upgraded, since my system wasn't really up to it. I might consider it now that I have more HP, but I've been happy with another DAW in the meantime.

-Susan
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