• SONAR
  • How to choose audio inputs 3 and 4?
2012/12/15 21:07:21
swb909
SONAR 5 TASCAM US-600 Here are my settings: http://popstrip.com/misc/sonar-woes.png How do I make SONAR see inputs 3/4, so I can select them?
2012/12/16 00:47:40
The Maillard Reaction




It could be because, it seems to appear, that you are using a Generic ASIO driver rather than the driver made for the Tascam.


Perhaps you can try to disable that driver and try the official Tascam drivers to access all the features of the Tascam.


best regards,
mike

2012/12/16 07:34:41
bitflipper
You could also try switching to WDM.
2012/12/16 12:06:41
Cactus Music
As Mike said, Your not using the Tascam ASIO drivers. 

First disable the realtech, get that bastard out of there or you'll have these kind of issues. Go to devise manager. You can always enable it  but you don't need it anymore. Choose share drivers with other programs. 

If that still doesn't work then you might have installed the wrong set of drivers, double check if your system is 32 or 64 bit. Get them from here. Don't use the disk. 

 http://tascam.com/product/us-600/downloads/
It looks like you have installed the Tascam drivers or you wouldn't get the control panel. It looks like it is set properly. 

Thanks for the screen shot, that totally explains everything clearly, wished more would do that.  


2013/01/09 04:16:00
swb909
Thanks guys. Sorry for not replying sooner. I didn't think anyone replied. Yeah, I tried installed the correct drivers again. They installed fine, but it still won't let me select the US-600 inputs are still greyed out. If I switch to WDM drivers, then I get the extra inputs, but I was told WDM drivers are bad. I guess the only reason I was given was they they are slow, but the ASIO is slow too (I have to manually move every take by 30ms to line it back up), so I guess everything is slow. I do wonder how other people get around these delays though.
2013/01/09 05:08:34
Kalle Rantaaho
swb909


Thanks guys. Sorry for not replying sooner. I didn't think anyone replied. Yeah, I tried installed the correct drivers again. They installed fine, but it still won't let me select the US-600 inputs are still greyed out. If I switch to WDM drivers, then I get the extra inputs, but I was told WDM drivers are bad. I guess the only reason I was given was they they are slow, but the ASIO is slow too (I have to manually move every take by 30ms to line it back up), so I guess everything is slow. I do wonder how other people get around these delays though.

What are your latency/buffer settings now with the Tascams own drivers? Can you see the total roundtrip latency listed in buffer dropdown?
WDM can often work equally well as ASIO. Use what works for you. MME is the really crappy one.
2013/01/09 12:48:02
Cactus Music
You didn't disable your on board sound card,, that's most likely your problem. 

Sonar is still using your on board. 

Disable on board
Go to windows audio devices and make sure Tascam is your default. 
Always turn on the interface before booting. If it's USB powered then fine. 

I bet if you look under audio options drivers you see tascam unchecked and the real tech is checked. 
2013/01/09 22:13:55
swb909
@Kalle Rantaaho Hey, I'm not sure what you mean by buffer dropdown, but the latency on the Tascam is still set to lowest. Now that I'm in WDM, the only buffer settings I see are in Sonar (General tab), where buffer size is set close to the fast side at 17.4 msec. The lowest it goes is 5.8 - but if that was the delay time, I would still have to to slide everything over 5.8ms. Hmm. @Cactus Music: In WDM mode, I don't even have the option for the Realtek stuff. Plus, the mic / headphones are working, which are hooked up to the Tascam. So I don't see how it could be using any Realtek drivers. edit: Not sure why the forum keeps removing my paragraph breaks...
2013/01/10 01:51:41
Kalle Rantaaho
swb909


@Kalle Rantaaho Hey, I'm not sure what you mean by buffer dropdown, but the latency on the Tascam is still set to lowest. Now that I'm in WDM, the only buffer settings I see are in Sonar (General tab), where buffer size is set close to the fast side at 17.4 msec. The lowest it goes is 5.8 - but if that was the delay time, I would still have to to slide everything over 5.8ms. Hmm. @Cactus Music: In WDM mode, I don't even have the option for the Realtek stuff. Plus, the mic / headphones are working, which are hooked up to the Tascam. So I don't see how it could be using any Realtek drivers. edit: Not sure why the forum keeps removing my paragraph breaks...
5.8 ms is an extremely low latency. Many of us can never get that low. I work with 7 ms input/ about 20 ms roundtrip latency and can't see/hear any problems. 5.8 ms is like standing 5-6 feet from the guitar cabinet. A total roundtrip latency of about 20 ms (or even more)  is in most cases still quite workable. That requires no dragging of clips to anywhere. Think about it, 20 ms is 0,02 seconds (=50 beats in a second). No musician plays with that kind of accuracy. Worlds fastest guitarists can play 10-12 plucks per second.
(FireFox is the cause of your paragraph problems. This forum software doesn't like it).
2013/01/10 17:46:06
Cactus Music
You will get the best performance if you use ASIO drivers. You are still not setting things up properly if you are having to use WDM mode. 
You computer specs would lead me to think you will set your Tascams latency to MEDIUM. 

There is no problem with latency as Sonar adjusts for timing automatically and you will hear no difference. Your tracks should line up perfectly. Only time we need real low latancy is when we record listening to real time efxs.   Your set up is not good enough for this. You will have issues if you try and set for lower latency without a very good computer and better drivers than Tascam offers ( they are mediocre at best)

 



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