Beepster


If anyone is having workflow problems with Lanes let me know. Maybe I can help provide some workarounds. I can't do anything about the bugs obviously but maybe I can help make certain things a little easier. I do TONS of takes so I mess with lanes pretty extensively.

Cheers.

 
Beepster, can you do anything about "Rebuild Layers/Lanes" and "Remove Empty Layers/Lanes" for me please 
 
 

There aren't any workarounds using Lanes that would help me to achieve some of the 'extreme & tight' editing I did using Layers.
And to remove the 'remove empty layers' imo was just  foolish.
As previously stated, it takes much longer trying to do the same techniques with Lanes.

Beepster, can you do anything about "Rebuild Layers/Lanes" and "Remove Empty Layers/Lanes" for me please 

Hi, Steve. Kind of... yeah. There should be a rebuild function but what I'm doing now is selecting all the clips that don't not overlap then Right Click > Bounce to Clip(s). That's obviously not exactly the same but now all those clips are in one lane. Removing empty layers is simple enough. Select the empty lanes > hold Ctrl > Right Click > Delete.

Yes this isn't as automatic but given the randomness of how those features worked before manually selecting stuff keeps your eye on what's up. They do need some work and my suggestion to the bakers would be to implement some of the missing functionality such as the features you mentioned... but the workarounds aren't that much harder.

Cheers. 

There aren't any workarounds using Lanes that would help me to achieve some of the 'extreme & tight' editing I did using Layers.

How so? 

I feel a freebie video coming on.........

FastBikerBoy


I feel a freebie video coming on.........

Yeah... please do. I wish people could see how easy this all is. Everything works... you just gotta look at it a little differently. Lots of stuff screwed me right frack up when I started with Sonar coming from a Steinberg background but I muscled through it and now I know what to do (more or less). A lot of the methods in Sonar are CRAZY complicated compared to that from my perspective. Lanes eliminated a huge amount of confusion for me. I really would like to see folks get comfortable with them but you are far more qualified than I am to explain it all. 

I just know they work and i lurves 'em. DON'T TAKE MY LANES AWAY!!!

Hi Beepster...

I'm glad you like Lanes and you did hit on one of it's sore spots (many layers can be difficult when they get too small)... I never intended to say Layers were perfect...

Lanes with all the zoom abilities fixed (including problems related to minimum size as well as maximum) and movement bugs would take the sting out of it for sure, but the extra "wasted" screen space and the extra confusion that the Lane Controls area causes my eye are not going to change...

I say these things tho I sadly believe that I will never get these issues back to what I was able to do before... All in the name of new monitor sales ;-)

I simply am unable to give up trying even so as it's just such a pain for me everyday right now... and I feel we'll be waiting a while before/if we see another update before Thanksgiving... <sigh>...

Maybe adjusting the way the Track Controls are displayed when Lanes are open? ...

BTW... Both Lanes and Layers have problems with large number of takes on screen at one time... Just different problems.

As to bugs in Layers such as the rebuild function? It worked much of the time whereas now we don't have it at all... So I've got a feeling it's not there because they didn't want to make it look bad to have the same bug in both versions.... Some of that is a bug and some is simply a limitation in as much as the automation knowing how a user wants the compile to end up...

...and yes. If you're gonna use Lanes, they force the constant resizing and re-adjusting screen. I find it very disconcerting and "long-winded" where I never suffered such with Layers...

So I put it to The Bakers to find some way to circumvent the issues and appease users such as myself who are so uncomfortable with Lanes as they are....

Please?

Keni

Hi, Keni. Yeah they definitely need fix the siz/resizing issues with them and I'll add to that there should be a "Hide Lane" feature.

Specifically...

Lanes should collapse down to the size of a track (why it's double height makes now sense at all).

The limit on how tall you can expand a lane needs to go away as well. They should be able to be expanded to at least full screen height just like tracks. This is important for editing.

We need the ability to manipulate the height of the Lanes independently of each other so I can have the lane I'm working on the height I want it to be without having to view the others at the same height. This makes it difficult to edit in correlation with other tracks which is extremely important to my workflow.

A "Hide Lane" feature needs to be implemented so I can get the takes I'm not current working on out of the way (same problem as the independent height issue). If I have a dozen takes and I can't see the rest of my project because the rest are unnecessarily in the way... that's a problem. 

Fortunatly I can drag them around into different orders and have other tricks I do to view the other tracks but those are my hugest complaint.

I'd also like to see them remove the "one solo only at a time" restriction and have a function where you can double click the take you want and it pops open in the parent track... then the rest of the lanes can be hidden and only the lane in the parent track is visible... thus making editing that take in relation to the rest of the project FAR easier.

Also I'd like to see them steal a feature from the old version of Nuendo I used to use where in the main track you could just right click the track and choose which take would come to the surface while muting and removing editing capabilities from the rest of the takes (and have a preference setting window that can change this behavior in case you want to edit all takes in the track at once).

However... layers didn't really appease any of that properly and Lanes are easier on my silly little brain. There is a possibility I'm just totally daft and I work in an abnormal way. 

;-)

It's more like a 'robbed Peter to pay Paul' thing.
It's not that Lanes are totally unusable but that many find Layers were more useful for the getting the same type results in less time & with less effort. ( & frustration)

carl


It's more like a 'robbed Peter to pay Paul' thing.
It's not that Lanes are totally unusable but that many find Layers were more useful for the getting the same type results in less time & with less effort. ( & frustration)

But what exactly is tripping you up/slowing you down?