At 125%



At 100%



Not sure what else to tell you ... this is what IE9 does to my system, and others. There's been a few threads about it.

Not being argumentative, and I agree with you 100% that there are work arounds.

I'm still using FF 3.6 and I don't mind. I just fired up IE9 to show you what it does.

Seriously  . . .  I can see the difference in your screen shots - but I can't tell what your point is!
 
125% is bigger and clearer.  Surprise!
 
Perhaps I don't understand what it is you think is not happening?
 
Brian

Stone House Studios

Seriously  . . .  I can see the difference in your screen shots - but I can't tell what your point is!
 
125% is bigger and clearer.  Surprise!
 
Perhaps I don't understand what it is you think is not happening?
 
Brian

If you can see what the differences are, then you already know what the point is and can see what's 'not' happening.

It's not a big deal ... if you're happy with IE9 then that's fantastic ... all I'm trying to do is show you that it does not work properly on some systems, what goes wrong when it doesn't work, and why people don't like it for surfing this forum.

I use Firefox 3.6 and I'm satisfied with that. I'd prefer to use the latest version of Firefox for security reasons, but honestly, Amazon, Hotmail, and Cakewalk are about the only sites I go to. I'm not a heavy net user although I'm here a lot while I'm on my DAW.

Every function of this forum works as intended with Firefox 3.6. Text formatting (including paragraphing, font size, font color, smileys), replying to messages, spell correction ... all work 100% in Firefox 3.6 at any zoom setting.

It would be exciting to see new forum software ... but I'd rather they put that money in to Sonar development to be honest.

It would be exciting to see new forum software ... but I'd rather they put that money in to Sonar development to be honest.

 
Amen!  Goodnight!
 
Brian

Stone House Studios
 
Amen!  Goodnight!
 
Brian

You have a good night too.
 
Bub

One of the main problems for me is the forum simply not loading pages. It happens regularly throughout the day. They'll load fine one minute, then just refuse to load the next. I'm not sure how much of that is a forum software issue and how much of it is a server issue. It may well be a problem with Cakewalk's server because I sometimes experience the same on the Cake website (store etc) as well. 

Apart from that, the other issues with this forum are due to the fact with it looking (and working) like something out of the 90's or early 00's. I don't have the issue with no line breaks because I use Chrome, however it does seem to put large spaces between paragraphs sometimes, and occasionally it will  randomly change the font size in the middle of a post for no discernible reason. 

Also when I copy and paste something from another website into this forum, it retains the original font and size, and then I can't work out how to switch the text format back to the default.  So I have to remember to paste it into Notepad first to remove the formatting. Again, a little bit annoying. It's just a little annoying all round basically. 

Stone House Studios

not really.. we have no control over spammers for a start. I'm sure you wouldn't buy a car you can't only turn right in .. it over complicated things having something that chucks a hissy with certain browsers... hardly a good first impression for new visitors also.. IE9 .. ah other browsers are available..

 
Are you (or me) in charge of spammers?  I don't know what your point is here.
 
Ummm  the car reference  . . .. .
 
As for the rest . . .  . all I'm saying is that IE works here.  If you are using something other than what has become the standard - - - - - - -  why?
 
Brian

First let me say that as a way to earn money, I've been a system-level programmer for the past 30+ years.

<rant>The whole problem is that IE is not the standard.  IE is full of  idiosyncrasies (read bugs & arrogance) and other browser providers have not too recently decided to stop helping IE to be believed as some kind of standard by dropping support for those idiosyncrasies (e.g. Non-Standard-a-la-W3C IE specific javascript function calls and/or variables).   This was W3's way of trying to force MS to clean up their code to adhere to the standard of which they all agreed.

This forum is ASP.NET based which, surprise-surprise, supports IE.  It was/is expected that other browsers who wish to access an ASP.NET web site should adhere to MS's de-facto standards.  An old joke that brings home MS's mentality:
      Q: How many microsoft programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
      A: None.  They just declare darkness the standard.

To make matters worse, MS is modifying IE to the point they had to add a "Compatibility" button for it to function with previous versions of their own ASP.NET garbage.

MS is no longer the standard.  As a matter of fact MS, IMHO (and many other folks as well), is and has been creating such a level of substandard software.  (e.g. Microsoft Blames PC Makers For Windows Failure, 'Gorilla Arm' Will Keep Touch Screens From Taking Over and Microsoft Fails Antivirus Certification Test (Again), Challenges the Results) that many people are just fed up and very hungry for something (preferably Unix based) to fill the void.

Personally, I believe that MS and their substandard development system are in many cases, the cause for many-a-bug in Sonar and related plug-ins.  I tried using MS's Library routines for popping up a simple "browse for a file" dialog box that caused my program to General-Protection-Fault due to a missing, undocumented-yet-required parameter.

A library function provided to developers should expect to get bad parameters and provide an error code to that effect rather than just GPF and should not behave in a way other than what is documented.

Finally, with all due respect to the folks at ASP Playground, I suspect that the forum had been modified to accommodate bug-fixes that were needed at the time Cakewalk implemented the software to support other browsers which most ASP guys feel if you are not using IE you are not worth supporting.</rant>


Sorry for the rant, but I've about had my fill with MS and am patiently waiting with baited breath for Roland/Cakewalk to provide Sonar or Sonar-like software for another more solid and stable platform such as OSX (basically FreeBSD in Mac clothing) or Linux.  Though most audio developers are at the mercy of the hardware manufacturers and the platforms on which they provide stable drivers.

Best,
guitardood

P.S. This somewhat properly formatted post was done through Safari on OSX.

What you say may be true but the problem is that most users in the world use an MS OS with IE as their browser. You may not like it but there is no other standard as far as I can tell. This tiny forum is not and never will be the real world (meaning larger) in how forums work. 

As for a stable OSs XP was and so was Vista and Win 7 and now Win 8. As far as I can tell OSX is perhaps 15 % of the total market for computing. Maybe more maybe less. When I tried to use Open Suse for audio 64 bits I had nothing but problems. I found that Windows was easy and stable and things just worked. No one supported the kind of hardware I use for audio under linux and I am not in the market for any Apple product even if it were given to me. 

I like Windows and trust it. I don't use IE and like Opera. I have the option to use a buch of browsers if I choose. But when it comes down to it their a lot of companies out there that hate MS and don't help in assuring browser compatibility. Java was created by Sun Microsystems to help them in their ongoing battle against MS. It was not allowed to be used by MS in their browser. What all this means is us the end user gets screwed. 

What should be done is a commission setup to create standards for browsers independent of any corporate interests that we the end user can rely on.

One last thing to keep in mind. Before MS decided to bundle its browser with the OS most browsers cost money. Sometimes a lot of money. Now we choose our browser at no cost to us.  



 

I see some people saying I should use the right browser to access this forum. That's just plain rubbish! If ALL OTHER FORUMS just behave like they should on my browser, then the problem is NOT with my browser (Firefox) but absolutely and without any doubt with the forum software itself. And NO I cannot use IE9, because my "non-music" system is Linux (Debian 6) and I wont switch to Windows just to reead and post on this forum. And also - NO I wont use a ancient old version of Firefox, because my system is up-to-date and I want to keep it that way. And NO I do not want a separate browser only and solely to visit this forum. This forum should just work - like all other forums do! It is not the responsibility for the visitor, but for the forum maintainer to keep the forum usable. Sorry for ranting, but every time I want to react I realize I am in the wrong browser, have to copy the page URL, log in again etc.... and that's extremely annoying. I notice I am starting to avoid coming here, and I guess I am not the only one.