Bub

"they were offered a free upgrade but couldn't install it because of the customizations they have done to the current software."


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I wonder what they customized? Doesn't look like much. The forum "looks" like many others on the web (very Open-Source). Should be an easy fix for those guys. I have faith. I just don't think their priorities are optimal to the end-users.

@Twaddle: Randy Bowser, a forum member who I haven't seen here in a long time, contacted ASPPlayground also a couple of years ago. The forum software can't be updated because it was customized by Cakewalk. If I remember correctly, they were offered a free upgrade but couldn't install it because of the customizations they have done to the current software.

 
I don't recall that being the reason they couldn't or wouldn't upgrade the forum software.  I must have missed that response.
 
I do remember someone from CW saying they had plans on doing something about the forum software but it must be on the same update list as V-Vocal.

Cactus Music


Problem is I think Chrome tracks you, I would have never installed it if it was not for this forum. This IS the ONLY web site you need it for. Someone said if they update the forum it would loose all the old information?? 

So what? 
Track away.
It's not like I'm into child porn or weird twisted sick stuff or hunting down drugs or explosives.
I go here, Sweetwater and some other music stores, pretty much all VST sites and youtube.


What could they possibly track? I think they do it so when you search for sites it keeps it geared to your interests.


Unless there's something else I should know about. Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding the premiss of the tracking.


Mike

brconflict

It does sort of surprise me as well about the fact that Roland attaches their name to this, not that this is anything against either company. Roland is pretty impressive with its forward-thinking (at least, historically). Roland's investment in Cakewalk tells me that we should expect some better improvements in product lines in the near future. 

With that said, yes, if Roland is invested in Cakewalk, then the forum version upgrade should have been a no-brainer. I can't speak for Roland or Cakewalk, but someone may have made a conscious decision not to upgrade the forum software. 

Now is a good time to revisit this. It's Q1 of 2013, when most new budgets are in play. Two things I want to see from Cakewalk as a result: 1) Spend more time and money to better test and squash bugs before the software (Sonar) hits the shelves, and 2) Upgrade the forum. I personally don't need "new" features. I want the bug-squashing to actually catch up to the innovation for once.

I think the state of Sonar with all the bugs, especially the long standing ones, and the state of the forum software, are a good indication of how things are run there.

I've always wondered if there is a revolving team of people that work on Sonar's code that just move on after a couple of years and someone else picks up the ball and is left to deal with the code issues, and that's why bugs don't get resolved. You know what I mean, too many chef's spoil the pot type of thing.

Cakewalk and Roland have been teamed up for quite a few years now, I doubt you're going to see anything change.

kevo

@Twaddle: Randy Bowser, a forum member who I haven't seen here in a long time, contacted ASPPlayground also a couple of years ago. The forum software can't be updated because it was customized by Cakewalk. If I remember correctly, they were offered a free upgrade but couldn't install it because of the customizations they have done to the current software.

I don't recall that being the reason they couldn't or wouldn't upgrade the forum software.  I must have missed that response.
 
I do remember someone from CW saying they had plans on doing something about the forum software but it must be on the same update list as V-Vocal.

I'm not 100% sure if Randy said it was free to Cakewalk, but I'm 95% sure, but again, I could be wrong.

I am 100% though. sure that they can't update it because they have customized it beyond the point where it can't be patched.

I'll see if I can find Randy's thread and post a link. Now you got me wondering if I'm remembering this right or not. :)

Bub

brconflict

It does sort of surprise me as well about the fact that Roland attaches their name to this, not that this is anything against either company. Roland is pretty impressive with its forward-thinking (at least, historically). Roland's investment in Cakewalk tells me that we should expect some better improvements in product lines in the near future. 

With that said, yes, if Roland is invested in Cakewalk, then the forum version upgrade should have been a no-brainer. I can't speak for Roland or Cakewalk, but someone may have made a conscious decision not to upgrade the forum software. 

Now is a good time to revisit this. It's Q1 of 2013, when most new budgets are in play. Two things I want to see from Cakewalk as a result: 1) Spend more time and money to better test and squash bugs before the software (Sonar) hits the shelves, and 2) Upgrade the forum. I personally don't need "new" features. I want the bug-squashing to actually catch up to the innovation for once.

I think the state of Sonar with all the bugs, especially the long standing ones, and the state of the forum software, are a good indication of how things are run there.

I've always wondered if there is a revolving team of people that work on Sonar's code that just move on after a couple of years and someone else picks up the ball and is left to deal with the code issues, and that's why bugs don't get resolved. You know what I mean, too many chef's spoil the pot type of thing.

Cakewalk and Roland have been teamed up for quite a few years now, I doubt you're going to see anything change.

Yes, I agree. I can't speak to the actual employment landscape there, but they're going to be feature-rich with bugs, or feature-less with stability at this price-point and I'm sure the priority lays with bringing something big and new to every trade show. 

(Sorry I changed the subject but, )  My opinion has been that I would pay $800 - $1,200 for Sonar, if Cakewalk would produce a version that has either direct Dev version support, or goes through a much more rigorous and extended resource/hardware/driver base to better test and squash bugs, even long-standing. The current method of bug-reporting/tracking isn't what I would have hoped. Most of them aren't, though. 

Doesn't matter if it's been patched and customized - all the posts exist in a database which could theoretically be converted and ported to a brand new forum, if they wanted. I'm pretty sure an experienced coder could write a script to do it. It might cost Cakewalk a couple of grand (wild guess) but since this forum is a huge part of the Sonar community and has been intstrumental in attracting people to Sonar as a DAW (Beepster comes to mind) then I would think it's a jolly good investment. 

The only real problem as I see it is having to close the forum down for a day or two so that no new posts are made while the transfer is done. But I'm sure we're all adult enough to go without for that long....right?

Bub

kevo

@Twaddle: Randy Bowser, a forum member who I haven't seen here in a long time, contacted ASPPlayground also a couple of years ago. The forum software can't be updated because it was customized by Cakewalk. If I remember correctly, they were offered a free upgrade but couldn't install it because of the customizations they have done to the current software.

I don't recall that being the reason they couldn't or wouldn't upgrade the forum software.  I must have missed that response.

I do remember someone from CW saying they had plans on doing something about the forum software but it must be on the same update list as V-Vocal.

I'm not 100% sure if Randy said it was free to Cakewalk, but I'm 95% sure, but again, I could be wrong.

I am 100% though. sure that they can't update it because they have customized it beyond the point where it can't be patched.

I'll see if I can find Randy's thread and post a link. Now you got me wondering if I'm remembering this right or not. :)

You are correct that it was a free upgrade and that wasn't questioned.  I just didn't remember the reason they didn't update and I did remember there was something said about something in the works.
 
Whatever that something in the works was, I didn't notice any changes.
 
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 

So, long-story short, it looks like there is a "planned" fix/update in the works, but it's been a while. I'm betting they're pretty overloaded right now with bug reports and the like, especially with the added Windows 8 enhancements. 

kevo

Bub

kevo

@Twaddle: Randy Bowser, a forum member who I haven't seen here in a long time, contacted ASPPlayground also a couple of years ago. The forum software can't be updated because it was customized by Cakewalk. If I remember correctly, they were offered a free upgrade but couldn't install it because of the customizations they have done to the current software.

I don't recall that being the reason they couldn't or wouldn't upgrade the forum software.  I must have missed that response.

I do remember someone from CW saying they had plans on doing something about the forum software but it must be on the same update list as V-Vocal.

I'm not 100% sure if Randy said it was free to Cakewalk, but I'm 95% sure, but again, I could be wrong.

I am 100% though. sure that they can't update it because they have customized it beyond the point where it can't be patched.

I'll see if I can find Randy's thread and post a link. Now you got me wondering if I'm remembering this right or not. :)

You are correct that it was a free upgrade and that wasn't questioned.  I just didn't remember the reason they didn't update and I did remember there was something said about something in the works.
 
Whatever that something in the works was, I didn't notice any changes.
 
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

No problem. You got me thinking if I was remembering wrong or not, that's all.

I did remember right on all of it ...

Here's one of the links where an Admin confirms it's been customized beyond the point of being able to apply a patch. And in the same thread it is confirmed that the patch to make it work is free but it can't be applied because of the customizations, and there is plans in the works to get new forum software.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2426388