All this talk of Sonar 8.5.xx ..... I'm somehow glad I never used it. Don't know what I'm missing and all that. It's on my DAW, but I'm not about to go backwards.

Always bothers me when I read " The few that claim" x2 works fine for them.

It's not few, it's the majority. I made a list a while back of all the 853 x1 and x2 suck folks-was les than 30. So the few are you.
Also, I do not CLAIM it works, I say it works for me because it does.

Yes I like layers also, hate the lanes. But it is what it is and I have learned to deal with it.

The analogy: But I also hate gas prices but I'm just not ready to ride a horse to a gig with my equipment.

For the way I work (as outlined elsewhere), the Rebuild function is what I miss most of all.
 
I used it to tidy up my Layers after deleting off parts of a track I didn't want to use. And to me, it's "randomness" wasn't a problem, as there was no benefit to me whatsoever. To be honest, I've never really understood why that so-called randomness was a problem, I'd be interested to know though.
 
To accomplish the equivalent of a Rebuild in X2 is very fiddly and time consuming. And as well, unless I'm missing something, there isn't even a 'Remove Empty Lanes' option - each and every lane that becomes empty by dragging stuff around or deleting off unwanted clips has to be deleted one at a time.
 
To me, the current concept of Lanes is almost like just having individual tracks in a folder sent to a common bus.
 
I think the whole concept could have been thought through and implemented a lot better.
 
 

To be honest, I've never really understood why that so-called randomness was a problem, I'd be interested to know though.

I hated it with a vengance, although in fairness after the first few times of the "rearrange into no particular order" I stopped using it 'cos it would send me so mad....

Anyway.... Normally I record several (all right lots) of takes, be it vocals, guitar whatever the track is. When I start comping I'll mute some parts that are obvious winners for a section and some parts I might have 3 or 4 where they are so close I'm undecided so I leave them to sort later.

In lanes I can now make notes on those lanes about those sections and each take has it's own number/name. With layers I'd make paper notes referencing them by take number (from top to bottom). Whenever I'd make the mistake of going anywhere near the "rebuild" it would of course scatter them into some seemingly random order which of course just scrapped all my notes about potential take parts and I'd have to go back over them.

In the end I just stopped using it completely so it was something that never bothered me because I never dare use it, hence I don't miss it now. For the way I work I find lanes much better, aside from the comments on size and other bits I mentioned earlier.

I'm all for a rebuild but some sort of control over it would be great, although TBH now lanes are better referenced it wouldn't matter as much how they were messed up.

I've mentioned this a couple times in the past for those having trouble adjusting to Lanes. If you upgraded from X1 why not do your tracking and editing there then once the project is plotted out the way you want open it in X2 for mixing? 

I really do prefer lanes though. They do however need some work.

FastBikerBoy

To be honest, I've never really understood why that so-called randomness was a problem, I'd be interested to know though.

I hated it with a vengance, although in fairness after the first few times of the "rearrange into no particular order" I stopped using it 'cos it would send me so mad....

Anyway.... Normally I record several (all right lots) of takes, be it vocals, guitar whatever the track is. When I start comping I'll mute some parts that are obvious winners for a section and some parts I might have 3 or 4 where they are so close I'm undecided so I leave them to sort later.

In lanes I can now make notes on those lanes about those sections and each take has it's own number/name. With layers I'd make paper notes referencing them by take number (from top to bottom). Whenever I'd make the mistake of going anywhere near the "rebuild" it would of course scatter them into some seemingly random order which of course just scrapped all my notes about potential take parts and I'd have to go back over them.

In the end I just stopped using it completely so it was something that never bothered me because I never dare use it, hence I don't miss it now. For the way I work I find lanes much better, aside from the comments on size and other bits I mentioned earlier.

I'm all for a rebuild but some sort of control over it would be great, although TBH now lanes are better referenced it wouldn't matter as much how they were messed up.

 
Thanks Karl, a perfect explanation.
 
 

My workaround?

Scream and swear internally so that I don't scare my cats! ;-)

Keni

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

Patience!
That's my workaround...
I do feel your pain Keni.
Tom

X2 lanes have a long way to go. I thought the same of all the previous sonar lane/take approach. When I get bogged down, I resort to cloning and using tracks. They are unlimited...

Thanks Tom...

I just find it hard to accept that between all the programmers and testers, that the Bakers thought this a viable, working solution. I understand that some users are quite pleased with the current implementation... But I run into so many issues (constantly) that it's hard to imagine users comfortable with this...

I guess my work methods are that different? I never would have thought so but.......

Even if I liked the Lanes concept to begin with (which I don't), the staggering amount of moving, re-sizing, changing screen sets that I current require would annoy me no end...

I truly hope that The Bakers find some way to restore earlier abilities and soon... I can't take much more of this.

I have vested to working in X1 as long as possible for tacking and editing and switch to X2 for mix... But it's very unusual that all work falls into the right time period when I need it... <sigh>

Keni