Anyway

I will reallocate the drives and check the firewire interfaces. i dont know what TI is but I guess Google is ment for something... :)

I will also try with the built in soundcard alone. The studio has 3 ZED 16 FW mixers running the same drivers but the computers are different as well as the computers FW interfaces.... and the daw installed...
I have tried all mixers to eliminate one sick mixer but its the same.....

Thank you all - It actually WOULD be great to get it to run like ... Something nice...

And then again ( i hate that tech stuff   =;o))

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I feel that the technical issues completely takes over and leave the music in the dust. 
Instead of programming yet another 'vintage compressor' or a fancy console emulation of whats used anymore ( guess why ) Cakewalk should figure out a testprogram that evaluates all the relevant parameters and generate a to-do list if the test program is unable to adjust them itself.
That would be on top of my wishlist....  :) 

I'm not sure what this post means...
I *think* you are saying something like; I want to make music and not deal with the technical aspects of owning a DAW.
 
Unfortunately it comes with owning a DAW.
If all you ever want to do is focus on making music, then you'll need to rent studio time and let someone else deal with that aspect.
 
I can assure you I have every version of Sonar from Sonar 2Xl and have had Sonar installed on many different systems and operating systems over the years, and Sonar has always been stable and useable for me.
 
 

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Anyway

I will reallocate the drives and check the firewire interfaces. i dont know what TI is but I guess Google is ment for something... :)

I will also try with the built in soundcard alone. The studio has 3 ZED 16 FW mixers running the same drivers but the computers are different as well as the computers FW interfaces.... and the daw installed...
I have tried all mixers to eliminate one sick mixer but its the same.....

Thank you all - It actually WOULD be great to get it to run like ... Something nice...

And then again ( i hate that tech stuff   =;o))

TI =  Texas Instrument
 

kevo

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I feel that the technical issues completely takes over and leave the music in the dust. 
Instead of programming yet another 'vintage compressor' or a fancy console emulation of whats used anymore ( guess why ) Cakewalk should figure out a testprogram that evaluates all the relevant parameters and generate a to-do list if the test program is unable to adjust them itself.
That would be on top of my wishlist....  :) 

I'm not sure what this post means...
I *think* you are saying something like; I want to make music and not deal with the technical aspects of owning a DAW.
 
Unfortunately it comes with owning a DAW.
If all you ever want to do is focus on making music, then you'll need to rent studio time and let someone else deal with that aspect.
 
I can assure you I have every version of Sonar from Sonar 2Xl and have had Sonar installed on many different systems and operating systems over the years, and Sonar has always been stable and useable for me.
 
 

But this shouldn't be the case should it?
A producer should be able to just install it directly onto their workstations without issue and have it run without major problems. I've been a Sonar user since v4, I still use 8.5 as it was much more stable than my experiences with x1, where I spent ages chasing my tail and getting NO music done >.< It took ages for sonar to get 8 stable, only to then bring out x1 shortly after, which had issues of it's own and law n behold as soon as those issues were becoming resolved, they bring out a new version again, adding more issues without correcting older problems. 
I always see the comment "You only see the bad stuff on the forum, 1000's are happily using it without issue and as such arn't here complaining about it" I feel this is bandied about way too much also without any real proof. Most pro studio's use Protools/Logic, the vast majority of people I know and talk to who make music know of/use Cubase/Reason/Fruity Loops/Ableton......sadly very few know of Sonar or use it. 
You don't buy a car and need to know how to fix the engine. If you have a problem with the car you take it back to the garage/dealer and get it sorted, if it isn't sorted, you may well get a refund/credit.



As not to be off topic.
TI Chipsets (Texas Instruments Chipsets) are the preferred chipset for firewire devices when doing audio work. I would be surprised if this wasn't your issue to be honest. 

Thanks.....

Yes......... Unfortuately i know that it comes with the daw.....
I just wish it wasnt so. 

I mean - if my new Mercedes (cough) was delivered with the expectation that i should trim the digital engine control, the traction of the wheels, the gearing, the heating system, speedometer and even the roads I might want to go by horse......

I will give it yet another go in the weekend when the music takes a break...

Rgds Bruno

Hi Bruno,

First of all, sorry for doubting you.  When you didn't reply immediately to the offers of help, I'd assumed you were just out to trash Sonar.

Anyway, I hadn't heard of the Allen & Heath mixer you're using so my first thought was that it was the source of the problem since you are using it for your audio interface.  I had a quick scan of the Allen & Heath website and the ZED-R16 has instructions for all of the major DAWs, including Sonar X1 - you can see screenshots for X1 setup so they've clearly got it to work.  May I ask whether you went through these instructions step by step?  I ask because one thing that jumped out at me was a sentence highlighted in red that said:-

"Please note Sonar has no control over the ASIO buffer size - you must use the ‘Allen and Heath Firewire’ Control Panel to change the buffer size."
 
Could this be the problem?
 
Hope you find the solution and get back to the music quickly.  Sadly techie problems seem to be a fact of life with DAWs.
 
Cheers,
Simon

Bruno what ever the business if it uses technology then those in that business need to know about that technology. Before there was a computer in studios the people that ran them understood electronics and could get down and dirty with a soldering iron. Its unrealistic to think that would ever change. Even a mom and pop business if it relies on technology either they have some knowledge or hire someone that does.

You are not just surfing the Internet but making a living from your equipment. Its your job to be able to solve technical problems or hire someone that can.

  In my view when people come here and say they make money from clients and then proceed to list problems they are having I just wonder why anyone would hire them to do their recording if they have so little competence with computers if that is what their studio is built around.  

Of course no matter how much knowledge one has at some point it wont be enough. Thats were we come in. We can help. However as a pro making a living from using Sonar you also have CW at your side. The calls to them are a business expense and deductible. There is no reason for you to not avail yourself of their service.  

I'm one that is not sympathetic to this sort of thread because what is claimed doesn't seem possible. If one is a pro than act like one and get the job done. 

Posting here with a curt "I'm leaving" is not just unprofessional but childish. Therefore I don't believe anything the poster has to say. 

I will give anyone the benefit of the doubt if the tone is not so harsh. 

 

 

 

+1 for the importance of having a firewire interface that uses a Texas Instrument chipset.

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This let me to believe that there was something wrong with the firewire card in either the mixer or the pc but a change with the simalar mixer in studio 2 and a new firewire card in this Dell changed nothing. 

Out of curiosity, which XPS system do you have? 8300? 8500? etc. ... and what is the PCIe slot config for your model?


Assuming you're running a native PCIe config for firewire, are you supplying power to the card via 4-pin connector? If not, may need that to boost the PCIe x1 voltage on the card, if necessary, even if not utilizing bus power for your device...

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Hi again.

First of all thanks for all your replies.
And I agree with you that my post is very sad and not seeking constructive solutions in any way.

I'm a musician more than anything else. I spend my time to be creative for myself and for all the musicians that comes in the studio.

Believe me when I say that I have done more than most musicians would do to make X2(a) work but I want to spend my time on music - not on buffers, drivers, Windows tweaking and all that. 

So ... For those of you That knows a lot about it this is my setup:

Dell XPS Studio PC, i7, 3 GHz, 12 Gb RAM, with a clean installation of Windows 7 x64. Newwork adaptor is disabled in BIOS along with the built-in soundcard. For this maschine I use 2 x 28" monitor running in 1920 x 1200 pixs. 
Also for this studio I use the Allen & Heath ZED R16 firewire mixer with the latest driver and matching firmware.
After the clean install of Win 7, all of Dells own applications and tools was gone and the Non relevant tasks are set to manual start and are inactive when Sonar runs. there is no antivirus.

There are no other programs running on the pc exept Powerdirector for video editing.

On top of the clean Win installation X2 was installed from the optional CD. The installation went fine. After the installation X2 was launched for the tests and so on, rebooted and X2a was installed.
Then the countles modules, instruments and patches was installed. All in Admin mode and with no breakdowns.

There is your problem. Youneed to update your Windows 7 thru WINDOWS UPDATE! There 10. 000 of fixes out there need to be updated for your system!
You can't use only the WIN Installation only. Its outdated by years!
 
You need also update your DRIVERS to your Video card. SONAR use the videocard and windows AERO for skylight! You can't use a basic one! What video card do you use? What tweaks have you done that you shouldn't have done? Have you disable AERO too?

This can might be your problem! Tweaks!! If you done tweaks try to go over them and undo them. There are no tweaks on windows 7. Its not like XP32. The system work totally different so you think you have done some smart tweaks you haven't. The only tweaks that you can disable are UAC and set the POWER to max, that's it! AERO must and shall be on too. Audio Cards and audio driver is not a background task so don't have it set to "priority background" as you did in XP!......and more.....