cus he is allways on time for practice and performance
so this week i was doing recordings with my band doing  some new tunes for a upcomin gig
 after a long night of teaching and replaying the same song for 4 hours to 3 others
 i came home and wiped up a nice drum track no real fills, to take the weight off my drummer to show the arrangement.s
 he was no too happy since it took me 1 hour to program SD with a few clips move some bass notes and bam, 
so my Question is where are some real good tut for mixin live drums.
i feel bad since he is a drum teacher and the best drummer i know. so i want to put in the effort to work his kit sound better
 he used 10 mics 2 overheads  that ring a  bit and bass is nothing great snare needs verb these are the basics,i tryed to tell him his performance is what matters but im not a eng  so il ask the saonar pros
 so any advice before i loose my drummer, BY BY SD it was fun. il sneak by and see  you  again

Use the 30-day course from Groove 3 that Sonar gave X2 owners and take the last chapter in the X2 module that goes into some detail on getting a good drum mix. 

@DigitalBoston : Your drummer is not happy with the drum arrangement or the mix ? 

- your intention is just to show the arrangement right ?

Once I was happy after spending days programming the drum part (using a Roland DR880) of Georgy Porgy (Toto) and pass it to my guitarist for practicing (we don't have a drummer).

Then his drummer friend (also an instructor) came by and commented the hi-hats are all wrong, etc, etc.. I'm sure only drummer picks up all the mistakes, despite trying to copy closely.. (like don't play a 16th note hi-hat when the snare plays).

yes i was just tryin to show the arangment. but i did some 3/4 beats on the chorus,
 and used 3 clips in all over the 8 part arangment.
 the overall sound of the zep kit with some basic Fx sounds great but as you said only a drummer can pick the fake flams and rimshots that i used , as i said i dint want to replace him just point him in the direction i wanted.
 but as a drummer would say he said. that sounds fake and it have no feel
 and he missed the point compleatly
so where can i get some good pointers on drum mixing
as since im here il ask. he put the tracks on a very nice portastudio then brings it to me and i pull them directly into sonar threw my 8 inputs on my sound card.
I tryed to use the dry mix but got ok results, im thinking of doing all the drum tweeks on the portastudio then the only other FX or comp would come from the master buss
just not shure the best way to go about doing realy nice live drums??
i need a drum mixing 101 class asap we go back to work this sunday so i have today to prep and practice, pretending to be a producer.i was thinkin of triggers also for live produtions bringing my x1{x2 when its patched} to gigs . but for now its all about a good mix and drums is where i need to start. then next week il be askin about bass

As tomixornot said, it's hard to  tell from what you've said whether the "fake sounding" problem is in your programming
or in your mixing. You say you're happy with the sound of the zep kit so it's not that.
Maybe you should post your midi file for the drums and let others have a look?
Just a thought

Steve

I would not take the drummers criticism too hard. I have seen so many cases of a drummer being threatened by just the presence of a drum machine in the room. Nothing ever will replace the feel and the groove and the sound of a great drummer playing on a great kit in a world class studio. Sadly, most of us don't have that luxury. Why not get your drummer involved in programming some beats with you. I bet it will be a great learning experience for both. If he is open to that. If not, keep programming and you will get better. I don't know any musician that it didn't help to know better what is happening in the beat. I have always mocked my songs for the band to learn. It always helped to learn the song quicker and the players always come up with creative changes that improved my original idea. I don't use the technology to replace musicians. I try to use it to better communicate my vision of the song. BTW, I use Superior Drummer aand I have a lot of their librarys. I find most of the preset midi patterns in most all of these programs are always too busy. Try finding a pattern that is similar to what you want and try stripping it down some to make it more solid. I happen to know how to play drums so it is fairly easy for me to program what I want. That's why i suggested get with your drummer and ask him for help on how to make your programming better. As long as he understands he is not being replaced I bet he'll help you out.