Hi,

I do not know whether this is intended behavior or not but it looks weird to me....

I have a MIDI clip, starting from 3:01:000 to 5:01:000. I need to change the size, crop the clip so I click the left edge and drag to the right so the clip now starts from 4:01:000. Now I want to move the clip back to 3:01:000. I can do it easily by dragging it to the time. 

BUT

When I put 3:01:000 as a Start time in the clip properties in the Inspector and hit Enter, the clip moves to 2:02:009 !!!. Why???!!!

I have to Apply trimming in order to being able to move the clip into desired position BUT I do not want to Apply trimming!

Is this normal???

Another weird behavior, and this must be a bug:

I record a MIDI clip while the first note I record at 01:03:480. When I stop recording, the recorded clip starts from 01:02:480, which is OK. But, then I extend the clip to the left, lets say to 01:2:000 and want to move the whole clip to 01:01:000. Guess what happens???

The clip moves to the left in a way, that the first note is at time 01:01:000 BUT the remaining left part of the clip is somewhere -00:00:000, simply out of the window.

I must say, I am upset.

See the video for more details. In the video, from time 2:28 to the end, I am restarting Sonar and showing the same issue. 

http://www.screencast.com...4055-890c-1b80c5633001

Please check this behavior on your system to find out whether it is a BUG or solely my problem.

Thanks

  EDIT: This does not apply to audio clips 

Try Turning off Snap

Tom

Saintom


Try Turning off Snap

Tom

Snap has no influence on this, because once I want the clip to start at 02:01:000 and I enter this to the Start time field, it must go there, regardless of the Snap settings.

What happens if you bounce to clip first, after adjusting the size of the clip? 
I suspect the behavior has something to do with what point the clip actually begins, which I think is not at the trimmed or stretched part, but at the original beginning.  Maybe?

Brian

I confess not totally following what you're doing, and part of that might be that I've never typed in in the start time field - I just grab a clip and move it to where I want, often with the grid off.  In the video I see you dragging the clip out longer at the top for some reason - why are you doing that?  That's just adding blank time to your clip--.

RB

rbowser


I confess not totally following what you're doing, and part of that might be that I've never typed in in the start time field - I just grab a clip and move it to where I want, often with the grid off.  In the video I see you dragging the clip out longer at the top for some reason - why are you doing that?  That's just adding blank time to your clip--.

RB

This is why I suggested turning off snap settings, move the clip where you want it and for get about it ;)

Tom

In your video the clip has a yellow padlock on it.  Doesn't that mean its position is locked?  Perhaps that's something to do with it.
 
PS: I've been having problems with wild, what seems like random, values being put in clips' start times whenever I've put exact values into the clip properties Start field.  I don't know if this is the same problem.  See my post:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2301034
 
John

Hi John, 

  the problem you described in your post is exactly the same as mine. In my video, the clip I am moving with is not position-locked (the yellow clip) 

Starting from time 1:10 in the video, I changed the clip size so only the last part of the clip remains. Then I want to move the clip to an exact time by typing in Start point value. I know I can do the same by dragging it, but the Start point field is in Inspector to serve this function as well, and if it does not work then it should be fixed. In the video you can see where the clip moves then.

John, are you still having the problem? I have found out that it is related only to MIDI clips that do not have the original length. Then by entering Start point value, the clip moves in a way, that not the left edge of the resized clip gets at the Start time as it should be and as it works in Sonar 8.5 (just checked this), but the original left edge of the clip gets at the Start time. 

Try it: - pick any MIDI clip you have in your project, Apply trimming. Resize it, dragging the left edger either to the left or right, and now enter any Start point value of the clip in Inspector. Where the clip get moved? Now drag the left edge back to its original point and you will see, that the original left edge of the clip is at the time of Start point value. Not the edge of the resized clip.

After you reported this to CW, what is the status? I filed the problem report yesterday as well...

See the new vid showing this:

http://www.screencast.com...4dbd-a2a5-10abe2078bb5

rbowser


I confess not totally following what you're doing, and part of that might be that I've never typed in in the start time field - I just grab a clip and move it to where I want, often with the grid off.  In the video I see you dragging the clip out longer at the top for some reason - why are you doing that?  That's just adding blank time to your clip--.

RB

Hi Randy,

I was dragging the clip out longer just to illustrate the problem. You can try it by dragging it shorter, the outcome will be the same. I use Start time filed when I want to move a clip to an exact time, lets say 52:04:268  because of some reason. And this way is the quickest and the most precise. But, not working in X1b.  

Has anyone tried to reproduce this? I think this function is one of the main DAW functions, functions of a MIDI sequencer. And it seems it is broken...

Brandon? Seth? Could you chime in  your free time to discuss this?