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2012/12/20 15:44:44
TraceyStudios
cool, i am excited. Now my mixes will be the envy of all!!!!  yeah right!! LOL! 

thanks all for your help!
2012/12/20 15:56:45
Counting Coup
No, you have chosen well, Grasshopper. Just dont be shocked when you first use it. I can promise you that what you hear with ARC on will frighten you to begin with. You just have to learn to trust it. Follow the setup instructions exactly. BTW Tracy, I have just installed X2a and it went very smoothly. You need have no concerns. If you do, you could image your drive first.
2012/12/20 16:00:08
garrigus
Yep, always back up before installing new software. At least, that's what I do, just in case. I can't afford to be down and dealing with PC problems. Image the drive with Acronis True Image and you'll be all set. If something goes wrong, just restore the image and your system is back to exactly how it was before you made any changes.

Scott

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2012/12/20 19:41:33
QuadCore
  The way i understand it, TraceyStudios, The ARC derives an impulse response of your mixing 'control room', and applies that IR in reverse to subtract your room sound from the sound you hear. Can Anyone Else Verify This Assumption? I think i even read this somewhere... So, if true, then ARC goes much further than an EQ solution can.
2012/12/20 21:38:10
bitflipper
...if true, then ARC goes much further than an EQ solution can.

Like what? What kind of magic pixie dust do you think they've put in there that might allow it to do more than adjust frequency response? 

ARC is a measuring system plus a high-resolution EQ. Its limitations are the same as any other method of EQ-based correction: it cannot correct the most common acoustical problems. It does not "take the room out of the equation", nor is it a substitute for acoustical treatment. Does it help? Sure, it does. But ARC should be considered the final touch to an already-treated room. 

To IKM's credit, they've toned down the hype since ARC was first introduced. But go to the Audyssey site and ask yourself if your BS meter doesn't twitch a little while reading it. (Audyssey is the company that IKM licenses the ARC technology from.)

2012/12/20 22:51:11
QuadCore
OK. The most obvious thing - it will take away early reflections from objects in the room. it's easy to see how EQ can do no such thing. In fact EQ has been determined to be a poor solution for fixing room problems, even in the concert hall setting. Impulse response or 'IR' created acoustic spaces ie. convolution reverb is created by creating a massive document of the reflections times from surfaces within an acoustic space. There is also a reverse process known as DEconvolution whereby the reflections within an acoustic space can be canceled out. The math has been known for ages, but only recently has the computing power to make it happen been available. Notice there is no EQing involved, but just the removal [canceling] of all those reflections and standing waves that mess with frequency response in a closed space... ... As far as i know, the ARC system uses this DEconvolution method to do its magic, instead of any sort of EQ. I have used DEconvolution to suck all the 'reflections' out of a single listening position in my studio before, and it did work according to theory, but you can't move around like you can with IK's ARC. Ok, I'll check out the Audyssey site. Thanks bitflipper.
2012/12/21 00:46:03
Danny Danzi
I can't speak for anyone else, but I do a lot of work from my house which has no room correction at all. ARC is all I use and it has been the best little plug investment I have ever purchased. I don't know what it's doing, I don't care what it's doing, but it's doing....and it's doing an incredible job for me. Everything I mix/master sounds as it should everywhere. I'd be lost without this plug. I use it on several monitors and have used it in several rooms with both treatment and no treatment. It has never let me down. When I do something in my home studio, it sounds exactly like it should when I bring it to my real studio. My stuff sounds good in my car, through headphones, earbuds, I'm completely happy with ARC and have both ARC 1 and ARC 2.

My advice, if you are working out of an office or bedroom type studio, ARC should be enough for you. Me personally, I don't like that ugly room correction stuff in my home. I'd also recommend a sub to go with your near-fields and correction with ARC as well. If you have a real studio room, definitely get the right room correction and whatever else you need....then use ARC as your final weapon. It's failed for a few people that have tried it, but I've read more positive things than negative things about it...and again, I'd be lost without it.

-Danny
2012/12/21 01:19:36
QuadCore
  "I'd also recommend a sub to go with your near-fields and correction with ARC as well." ... ... ... ... Funny, Danny, I was just looking into getting a subwoofer yesterday at a music shop. ... I know it is real helpful for modern metal, rap, hip hop, dubstep, and so on. ... Do you think a subwoofer would help with good old fashioned rock & roll mixing?
2012/12/21 02:26:30
Danny Danzi
QuadCore


  "I'd also recommend a sub to go with your near-fields and correction with ARC as well." ... ... ... ... Funny, Danny, I was just looking into getting a subwoofer yesterday at a music shop. ... I know it is real helpful for modern metal, rap, hip hop, dubstep, and so on. ... Do you think a subwoofer would help with good old fashioned rock & roll mixing?

Most definitely. The thing with subs and why they aren't recommended by quite a few seasoned pros is, people over use them or don't know how to set them up properly. It can be the death of you if you're not careful. However, when you get it right, you'll wonder how you lived without it.
 
Whenever you hear a song that is mixed bass light, 9 out of 10 times the mixer is hearing all the wrong low end out of near-fields so they over-compensate and remove way too much by high passing all the good stuff out. Some near-fields DO accentuate bass, but it's not in the right area where a sub WILL give you the right amount of kick in the right places. You just have to know where to set it in your particular room.
 
When you hear a song that may be bass heavy, this is also because there wasn't a sub present...so people over-compensate with low end thinking their monitors really aren't putting out enough bass. Case in point...grab a pair of old NS-10's. I can't mix through them to save my life without a sub. They just have no bass response to my ears. Every mix I've ever done with them was bass heavy and muddy because everything sounded so thin with them.
 
From there once your sub is in place, ARC does all the rest. At the worst case scenario Quad, even if you read about ARC like mad and become skeptical like so many others, the one thing it will do is flatten your monitors....which needs to be done anyway. Every known studio in the world has a guy come out that scopes their room with an analyzer. You supply the eq (usually a Rane works best in my opinion) and he sets the eq to where your monitors are sending him flat response on his read-out and you never touch that EQ setting. This alone can solve mixing problems by 75% or more. If your monitors are pushing certain frequencies that they shouldn't be, you're at an instant disadvantage no matter what type of room correction you may have installed in your place. Room correction doesn't eq/flatten monitors. To me, properly eq'd monitors are more important than any room correction you can buy.
 
That said, rooms DO come into play with messing things up depending on your situation. But let me tell ya man, I've worked in some nasty rooms when I've been hired to work in other studio's. Quite a few didn't have any traps or anything....but old ARC helped me out and I still was able to do a great job every time. It's only failed me one time with a set of NS-10's that were not connected to a sub at the time. I ran the NS-10's through a sub, redid the correction, and they are as good as anything else I own.
 
But yeah, definitely get a sub. Just be careful how much you use. You'll need to experiment a bit with it of course, but you should be able to dial it in within a few mixes. ARC actually curbed my sub a bit too much (and I do mean a little bit) to where I was mixing a little bass heavy at first. Nothing that was really bad, just a bit more bass than I felt I needed in my mixes. So I turned my sub up one little notch and that totally fixed my problem to where it forced me to mix a little bass lighter because the low end was being heard the way I felt it should be heard.
 
Just remember, the key is to use it in moderation to just add a little good low sub low end to your mixes. If you can feel it or hear it, you're using too much and will probably end up mixing bass light. Hope this helps...best of luck. :)
 
-Danny
2012/12/21 03:19:23
QuadCore
  Ya, very helpful, Danny. Thanks. Do you recommend using the 'satellite' crossover function supplied with subwoofers, and if so, what crossover point works best? Or do you recommend leaving the main monitors non-high passed? either way what do you like for crossover for the subwoofer? I know, lots of questions, but they seem like they would be important factors... I expect that if the 'wrong low end' is coming out of the monitors, then a higher crossover would help more in fixing this. On the other hand, i guess you don't want the subwoofer getting up into the low mid range either.
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