dmbaer

Danny Danzi

 

David, I've never seen anything come through as an exe that was supposed to be a plugin. I see bitbridge server come up in task manager, but never any specific plugin.exe's. You had mentioned in your post something about ARC.exe....that is the standalone that is installed for your corrections. It shouldn't be seen in task manager unless you have the correction procedure exe running. My system may be handling things differently than yours, but I've never seen a plugin come in as an exe on my end for anything when using Sonar 64....so that's why I mentioned that. :)
 
-Danny

Funny.  I never paid much attention to this before, but I wanted to confirm which version of ARC was running, so I looked at the task manager, which definitely labeled the application as "Arc" (and not "Bitbridge for sure) when all Sonar saw was the 32-bit version.  Now I can't repeat the test because I got the 32/64-bit ARC issue sorted out (and nothing else now shows up in the task manager when I add ARC to a project).  By the way, I never ran ARC.exe in any of this.  My invocation of ARC was strictly as a plug-in insert into an effects bin.

Right, I'm with you....but see, that's the thing...you should NEVER see a plugin show up as an exe even if it's in bitbridge. A plug should always call out as a vst being bridged if you see a plug name at all. I had a friend who literally had the ARC exe correction module in his VST folder...so it would come up in task manager even though it wasn't physically running. He was getting all sorts of errors. Once we uninstalled it and put it back on in the right folders, everything was fine. That's another reason why I mentioned that to you. The whole .exe showing up for a plugin just shouldn't be possible. I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm just saying, nothing can turn a VST into an exe, know what I mean?
 
For example, as I type this, I have Sonar 64 open and playing a file on one of my service boxes here. It has a few old VST's in it that are not 64 bit. For each plug that is not 64 that is in the project, all I see in task manager is "teleport server". It doesn't tell me there is an exe running other than Sonar PDR.exe. It doesn't even tell me what plugs are running in teleport server...it just says TP and then Bitbridge.exe *32. None of the plugs come up as individually labeled exe's though. At any rate, I'm glad you fixed your issue. There was definitely something weird going on there that's for sure. :)
 
-Danny

Danny Danzi

ARC isn't playing nicely, so as soon as I double click it, the correction automatically loads and then I'm fine for the duration of that project. The next time I open it though, I'll need to open every instance that is being used so it loads the correction. I don't even have to do anything other than open the plug. My correction is loaded, the plug is enabled and all looks well. It just doesn't SOUND right.

Let me see if I've got this right.  You've got ARC 1.3 (64-bit) in a project and open the project.  I assume that you saved the project with ARC visible since you say you can see the graph when you reopen the project.  But it's not applying the correction until you double click it in the effects bin?  Is that the chain of events?  I would like to try to duplicate the behavior on my system.

dmbaer

Danny Danzi

ARC isn't playing nicely, so as soon as I double click it, the correction automatically loads and then I'm fine for the duration of that project. The next time I open it though, I'll need to open every instance that is being used so it loads the correction. I don't even have to do anything other than open the plug. My correction is loaded, the plug is enabled and all looks well. It just doesn't SOUND right.

Let me see if I've got this right.  You've got ARC 1.3 (64-bit) in a project and open the project.  I assume that you saved the project with ARC visible since you say you can see the graph when you reopen the project.  But it's not applying the correction until you double click it in the effects bin?  Is that the chain of events?  I would like to try to duplicate the behavior on my system.

Yes Sir...that is correct. No to the ARC open during save. It's in the FX bin on my master bus. Once I double click it (and audio has to be playing for it to feed into it I just found out...you can't just open without anything playing) the graph moves and the correction gets added but not until I double click to open it. Open it a few times and you'll see the graph move...like it's reinitializing or something.
 
-Danny

Obi needs to sic Customer Support on you and get this sorted.

1.3.1 works flawlessly for me on both my machines, BUT I never had any other versions installed.
You gotta be missing something in the registry on the uninstall, don't you think?

T

DeeringAmps


Obi needs to sic Customer Support on you and get this sorted.

1.3.1 works flawlessly for me on both my machines, BUT I never had any other versions installed.
You gotta be missing something in the registry on the uninstall, don't you think?

T

Obi tried once, Tom. I think the guy they had assigned to me just wasn't the right guy for the job. He expected ME to do all the work and advised me to try other DAWs that I didn't want on my machines.
 
As for the uninstall and registry, I went through all that also...so at this point, I think the problem lies within old corrections being on a new version. If you get a chance and don't mind sharing, could you send me one of your ARC filter files from your 1.3.1 correction? I know they won't sound right on my monitors, but I'd like to try and save a project with corrections done using 1.3.1 to see if I have to do that "open the plug instance" to initiate the correction. I'm going to try another correction prodedure with 1.3.1 to see how I make out with it, but it always seems to crash right at the end when you go to save all the work you've done. But I'd like to try your correction if you don't mind sharing just to see if it stops some of the mayhem.
 
My email is my first and last name with no spaces (dannydanzi) @ my first and last name (dannydanzi) dot com if you don't mind sharing a correction filter with me? It should be in your ARC filter folder either in "my documents/ik/arc system or in program files (86) ik/arc system. If it's not there, c drive, users, app data, roaming, ik, arc system.
 
I'm glad it's working on your end. Another cool thing I'd like to try is....you can supposedly use corrections from 1.3.1 with ARC 2. I'd like to see how it makes them sound when comparing the same corrections loaded in ARC 1. I just gotta make it through the 1.3.1 correction procedure without a crash. :) But yeah, I've tried everything possible on this end that I can think of. Uninstalled, removed all folders and files from every folder I could find with ARC or ARC system...removed all registry items pertaining to ARC....not sure what else to try at this point. Thanks Tom. :)
 
-Danny

I just bought ARC (1) installed v 1.3.1 and did the measurements. Next I want to use it in Sonar X2a Producer 64bit, but it just won't show.
The ARC.dll is in the correct  folder, and I can choose it when changing the VST layout, but I just can't insert the thing. 
I also made sure I did not also scan the 32 bit version.. (btw running the 32 bit version with bitbridge seems to work fine)

What am I missing here?

Go to preferences, VST settings, press "reset all VST's" then press scan and see if it shows up after that. Make sure you have the proper VST folder where you have the 64 bit dll installed as well for 64.

-Danny

That did it. Thanks Danny!

You're welcome SEV. You may have to do this for each new plug you install due to Sonar's new plugin manager. So far I've just had to do that reset thing once...but on one of my other machines, I've had to do it twice. So if you ever don't see a plug show up, just do that and you should be fine. Glad that helped. :)

-Danny

Danny Danzi

Yes Sir...that is correct. No to the ARC open during save. It's in the FX bin on my master bus. Once I double click it (and audio has to be playing for it to feed into it I just found out...you can't just open without anything playing) the graph moves and the correction gets added but not until I double click to open it. Open it a few times and you'll see the graph move...like it's reinitializing or something. 
 

Danny, for what it's worth ...
 
I have a project with ARC 1.3 in the master bin saved with the ARC window not displayed.  I open the project and ARC is without question working (i.e., it's enabled and doing its thing) even though it's not visible.  When I double click, the ARC window opens and I see the graph move (you have to look close and it happens quite rapidly, but it does move).  All this means (to me anyway) is that the graphic jiggles upon window open are neither here nor there.  My take on this is that the graphic behavior does not seem to be related to the sound issues you are experiencing.