ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic

These threads come and go and there started by users who just dont know what they dont know. Instead of thinking you got riped, you should maybe investigate this more and youll relaize its due to licensing and youll relize that you can get over 20 MP3 encoders for free. Im mean..WTF

We've all been down the "don't know what we don't know" route...and know how frustrating learning the ins and outs of a DAW can be. Early on it's often easy to project those frustrations, overreact, and blame everyone but your own inexperience. Usually these new users will appreciate a level headed, helpful response. But I do take issue with some of the more seasoned users that appear hell bent on unnecessary ridicule.

Regards,

DB

??? I take issue with you taking issue with me. Oh, wait a sec, I was mistaken that i actually cared for a sec. I am not seasoned in any way. How dare you. Oh yea, that was not over reacting. I was reacting to his post. Theres a big difference.
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"don't know what we don't know" route..

I found out what i dont know, before saying something is a RIP. Thats just insane to make a judgement without knowing what you dont know

But I do take issue with some of the more seasoned users that appear hell bent on unnecessary ridicule.

Well is it not within the idea that even the "seasoned poster" might need a break here too? For most people we tend to give a little slack except it seems when they are here often. If one looks at this thread fairly the title alone is rather provocative. Is it then fair to jump on a response that is in keeping with the nature of the first post? Yes its somewhat in the form of a rant that is meant to be a little off putting? Webseed has a total of 9 posts and this is the one that is getting the play. In looking at this from newbie versus a long time member are we not doing to the old hand exactly what is being so clearly bashed?

Why is a newbie given all manner of the benefit of the doubt and the long time forum member not? Often newbies are welcomed here with really nice posts welcoming them. But are they not due to the basic good manners of the newbie's post?

Sometimes its good to question the motives of a responding post. However looking at this with no prejudice for either side it does seem to me to be a bit too much of piling on against Dave.

I wonder how many of you have read Dave and used his advice in the past? Besides all forums need at least one resident curmudgeon.

ORIGINAL: syrath

For the record, neither Cubase Essentials, nor Cubase Studio 4 come with mp3 encoding installed either. The license for MP3 encoders must be bought by the selling company for every disk sold that includes the encoder.

I might be wrong but I think it's actually worse than that. I suspect they have to pay a licence not for every disk sold but for every disk manufactured.

ok...recess bell rang...it's over...back into class

OK how many here believe that CW is ripping us off in this, class, raise your hands? That was the tenor of the OP's post after all.

Beaten to death from your perspective........not from mine.

Not attacking you, daveny, but.......

Perhaps the message should have been to recommend that the OP search the forum and read past discussions of this topic before raising it again. That might keep us from going in endless circles on this subject. I know this is the LAST TIME I will say anything about this.

I don't think it's a rip-off. If I understand the situation correctly, I believe it has something to do with licensing and Cakewalk CANNOT include the encoder in their software. I understand the feeling of frustration after having spent a chunk of money for Sonar and then finding out that it does not include MP3 encoding software. But that's just the way it is. As mentioned earlier in this thread, there are many options out there, so it is certainly not a deal killer.

ORIGINAL: John

But I do take issue with some of the more seasoned users that appear hell bent on unnecessary ridicule.

Well is it not within the idea that even the "seasoned poster" might need a break here too? For most people we tend to give a little slack except it seems when they are here often. If one looks at this thread fairly the title alone is rather provocative. Is it then fair to jump on a response that is in keeping with the nature of the first post? Yes its somewhat in the form of a rant that is meant to be a little off putting? Webseed has a total of 9 posts and this is the one that is getting the play. In looking at this from newbie versus a long time member are we not doing to the old hand exactly what is being so clearly bashed?

Why is a newbie given all manner of the benefit of the doubt and the long time forum member not? Often newbies are welcomed here with really nice posts welcoming them. But are they not due to the basic good manners of the newbie's post?

Sometimes its good to question the motives of a responding post. However looking at this with no prejudice for either side it does seem to me to be a bit too much of piling on against Dave.

I wonder how many of you have read Dave and used his advice in the past? Besides all forums need at least one resident curmudgeon.

If you look at the thread today, and take it at face value, then yeah, maybe it does look that way. The thing is, Dave wrote his initial post (the second reply in this thread), and then changed it the following day.

The post now reads:

"There's free MP3 converters available so this is a totally moot point. Just pay the 20 bucks and get on with your life. This topic is soooooooooooo old." He's trying order the guy around, sure, and he's got no business doing so, but it's still not as bad as his initial knee-jerk reaction.


His real post, before editing it the next day, read: "OK, so stop whining and move on. There's free MP3 converters available so this is a totally moot point. We're really sick of this topic". (I had him quoted before he changed his post the next day).

He ordered the new guy to stop whining and move on, and then presumed to speak for the entire forum and stated that WE're really sick of this topic. No, WE're not sick of the topic, SOME are. Others clearly agree with the new guy's opinion. This isn't the first time Dave has acted like center of the universe when newbies have posted their opinions/questions/complaints in a manner not to his liking...not by a long shot. And he's not the only one. -There is a handful of incredibly arrogant and self-important "seasoned" (ie. have made a gazillion posts) users in this forum who suffer from delusions of grandeur and seem to think it is their job and obvious right to tell newcomers what to do or how to act when they themselves are guests in this forum and have no business whatsoever dictating to anyone about anything. If a "seasoned" user doesn't like the way a new user voices his or her Sonar-related complaints, then the seasoned with a life/clue/grip on reality would normally ignore the post rather than get bossy and start barking orders like they own the joint. There are people from all walks of life with all kinds of different attitudes and mannerisms in here (you know...musicians), and nobody's got any business telling them how to behave except the staff who manage this forum if they find their behavior to be vile or detrimental to other members. Fortunately, the folks at Cakewalk seem pretty cool and are quite lenient and tolerant with regards to how people act, probably because they know that musicians are quite a diverse bunch, not to mention their bread and butter.

And it's not fair to say that the newbies are given the benifit of the doubt and not the long time forum member not. The bossy ones are the minority, and there are plenty of totally cool and tolerant senior members. It's just not very common for the cool ones to be congratulated for their tolerance which is why it seems that way. There are Gold/Platinum members in here that I totally respect...and maybe a half a dozen that I find disgustingly bossy, even if they are masters of their trade, and being the obnoxious a-hole that I am, I for one have no problem telling them so (only when it seems par for the course).

Edit: And I apologize to Dave if it seems like I'm singling him out...like I said, there are numerous senior members who can get very bossy.

For what SONAR costs and for what you get in it, my vote goes for great value.
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