ORIGINAL: Paul Russell

For what SONAR costs and for what you get in it, my vote goes for great value.
How many other 64bit audio DAWs are out there right now?

Agreed 100%. That's why I told the original poster that Sonar 8 rocked and he wouldn't regret it despite the lack of full MP3 export by default. Of all the things I've seen wrong with other DAW hosts, Sonar's lack of full MP3 encoder is hardly a deal-breaker, even if it does seem cheesy. I almost feel bad echoing the OP's sentiment considering I've been quite vocal in my opinion that the upgrade price was an incredibly good deal.

My last post on this subject...

In defense of Dave, the tone of the OP's original post was rather arrogant especially considering he is apparently a newbie. So Dave's response (although a bit harsh) is understandable.

Ok....I came back in from recess, and need to learn something.

I've got Lame setup as the mp3 encoder in Sonar. But, how can you go to some "options" window in Lame and adjust the bitrate, etc? Seems you have to go all the way back to the "shared utilities" folder and make a "permanant setting" (until you change it again). Sometimes I don't always want to encode at the same rates, and going thru all this to lower or raise a bitrate seems like a lot of steps.

I must be missing something. Gimme a Lame "options" window that can pop up when I'm exporting and selecting "lame mp3..... eh?.

ORIGINAL: Dave King

My last post on this subject...

In defense of Dave, the tone of the OP's original post was rather arrogant especially considering he is apparently a newbie. So Dave's response (although a bit harsh) is understandable.

You're absolutely right about the OP being arrogant. I thought so too. But I had absolutely no business telling him to act differently. He had a point, with which others agreed, and whether or not I liked the way he made his point was irellevant.

I think the bandmembers from The Who were complete a-holes for throwing TV sets out of their hotel-room windows, but do you think I'd knock on their door and tell them to behave differently? No, that's the hotel staff's job.

I don't think it's a rip-off. If I understand the situation correctly, I believe it has something to do with licensing and Cakewalk CANNOT include the encoder in their software.

I'll only post this link, and let the wranglers, wrangle. ;)

http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/

ORIGINAL: John

OK how many here believe that CW is ripping us off in this, class, raise your hands? That was the tenor of the OP's post after all.

Not me. It seems like crying because your ice cream is cold. It is searchable, it is a rather recurring gripe, and it is easy to understand that the business model of CW and Lame do not make the auto-inclusion of the converter a practical reality.

Lets face it, if the tenured members had not explored this subject, at length, for the past several years, those of us who were newbies when we discovered this condition would not have been able to research it here and understand why it is the way it is and have links to all the options available.

This thread started off as a rant. Kid at the checkout isle throwing a fit because mommy will not buy him a candy bar. The same rant that many people have posted about. The same misunderstanding that they are getting ripped off somehow. The same entitlement issues that were being discussed in the piracy thread. The facts on the converter, and many other topics, have been here for anyone who is reasonable to search them out and get educated before dumping a load on the forum. This place does this conditioning for newbies in an ongoing fashion, it has been happening for years, and I learned this by coming in and stomping around myself. It helps us to understand to get with the program and to get our stuff together and understand what the place is about before you come in here and start swinging fists around.

It is what it is and stomping your feet around and grumbling will not change it, and for good reason.

There is a handful of incredibly arrogant and self-important "seasoned" (ie. have made a gazillion posts) users in this forum who suffer from delusions of grandeur and seem to think it is their job and obvious right to tell newcomers what to do or how to act when they themselves are guests in this forum and have no business whatsoever dictating to anyone about anything. If a "seasoned" user doesn't like the way a new user voices his or her Sonar-related complaints, then the seasoned with a life/clue/grip on reality would normally ignore the post rather than get bossy and start barking orders like they own the joint.

You may have a point there. It does seem as if that were the case sometimes. I am only saying that we need to approach each of us with the same level of slack we give others. Heck, I have been in a bad mood and let it show here. Not often but I have. Any rate if we were as forgiving to each other as we are to ourselves this place might be a little better for it.

Not me. It seems like crying because your ice cream is cold. It is searchable, it is a rather recurring gripe, and it is easy to understand that the business model of CW and Lame do not make the auto-inclusion of the converter a practical reality.

Lets face it, if the tenured members had not explored this subject, at length, for the past several years, those of us who were newbies when we discovered this condition would not have been able to research it here and understand why it is the way it is and have links to all the options available.

This thread started off as a rant. Kid at the checkout isle throwing a fit because mommy will not buy him a candy bar. The same rant that many people have posted about. The same misunderstanding that they are getting ripped off somehow. The same entitlement issues that were being discussed in the piracy thread. The facts on the converter, and many other topics, have been here for anyone who is reasonable to search them out and get educated before dumping a load on the forum. This place does this conditioning for newbies in an ongoing fashion, it has been happening for years, and I learned this by coming in and stomping around myself. It helps us to understand to get with the program and to get our stuff together and understand what the place is about before you come in here and start swinging fists around.

It is what it is and stomping your feet around and grumbling will not change it, and for good reason.

Nice post. You seem to have come a long way. I am rather glad you are here.

Now, a group hug? Naw!

ORIGINAL: John

There is a handful of incredibly arrogant and self-important "seasoned" (ie. have made a gazillion posts) users in this forum who suffer from delusions of grandeur and seem to think it is their job and obvious right to tell newcomers what to do or how to act when they themselves are guests in this forum and have no business whatsoever dictating to anyone about anything. If a "seasoned" user doesn't like the way a new user voices his or her Sonar-related complaints, then the seasoned with a life/clue/grip on reality would normally ignore the post rather than get bossy and start barking orders like they own the joint.

You may have a point there. It does seem as if that were the case sometimes. I am only saying that we need to approach each of us with the same level of slack we give others. Heck, I have been in a bad mood and let it show here. Not often but I have. Any rate if we were as forgiving to each other as we are to ourselves this place might be a little better for it.

Jeeze, you're being quite...what's the term... pragmatic? ...ok, point taken.