At the risk of sounding like a total newbie, when you save a project, am I right in assuming that the plug settings for that project are saved within the project file itself? 

They are, bless them.

Roger that!

Well, generally speaking that is true, but if you build a preset, like constructing a multi-rack within Kontakt, then do a re-install, that multi-rack is toast.

Bob Bone

Demo Plugins generally won't save their settings.

Or you can even do silly things like create "new" project templates,with plugins/instruments already installed,like my re-import mastering[chuckle-I have zero idea with what I'm doing with mixing let alone mastering!]but yes it's all saved how you set it.

I don't want to hi-jack intentionally,but what does apples Logic[and it's plugins] do,that X2 does NOT????

Does anyone use both?
Bob

ut what does apples Logic[and it's plugins] do,that X2 does NOT????

bobguitkillerleft

I'd say not a lot, as the more you get to know them both, you discover similar approaches to things.

I'd say Logic has:

- better included plugins IMHO (though new prochannels seems nice, Logic has space designer, tape echo, EXS24, some nice compressor that are just awesome)
- better sound library (along with the browser, they really succeeded on making it simple yet powerful)
- better video support (I tend to blame Windows for that vs OSX)
- negative mesures (bars before measure 1) useful for video scoring
- better flextime (compared to audiosnap)
- better amp simulation (but might be wrong now that X2 has TH2?)
- cheaper (now that it's 199$ on the app store)
- Logic actually makes sense on a small laptop (like 13 inches), you can see lots of tracks, as 8.5 used to be.....

It's obvious that some of Sonar's new features are inspired by Logic, (auto-snap to grid, auto track zoom, automation lanes, screensets, multidock (though CW went further with this one in a brilliant way...). but IMHO CW has done their homework to revisit and expand those features (among others) so that workflow and layout are at their best. There is not much to envy Logic at the end of the day. 

Cheers ! 

V

And some plugins (Like ReValver) have the very annoying habit of keeping the settings, but not showing, what the preset is. You pick a preset, one made/named by you or one of the included ones. You save and close the project, and when you open it again, the settings are correct, but the preset name is not shown. If you then want to test other settings, and want to come back to the exact original preset, you can't do it unless you remember the preset name. The only workaround is to separately save every used preset by the project name/version. (I don't know if this is recently fixed).

They do, but I strongly recommend saving any settings, especially those you've spent a large amount of time programming/editing, or plan to use again in a different project. 

I also recommend creating a folder somewhere not on your C: drive called "Plugins" and sub-folders for "Effects" and "Instruments", and sub-folders under either of those with the name of the plugin. And when you save any presets, save in the appropriate folder path. That way, in case you have to do a system reinstall, or migrate to a new computer, you know where your settings are. I saved a bunch of plugin presets on my last computer, not evem knowing where they were saved (apparently, in all sorts of different places, and mostly in the C: drive. 

Bob, re: Logic and Sonar, my opinion is that people usually choose Mac v PC and if they choose Mac, the two obvious choices for a DAW are ProTools and Logic.

A "which DAW is better and why" question will usually generate lots of debate and no resolution here.

I think Sonar brings better support and a good bundle of virtual instruments and plug ins.  Although I like Sonar fine, the purchased virtual instrument libraries are the most important things to me.  I could live with Logic, or Cubase, or something else instead of Sonar if I had to, but could not give up RealGuitar, Vienna, Ivory, RealStrat, and a few other things I depend on.