Jim I'm in complete agreement with regards to the toms at least. I don't do an awful lot with the hi-hats and I'm more than happy with 12 articulations. 
I do seem to remember articulations showing but not being available though having just checked it doesn't seem to be the case right now, are you on the latest version? 
It's currently at V.2..3.1.6.


Well Mr jonesy I gawn and Dunnet, I bought the Dunnet Kit and haven't had much time to play with it yet but it's interesting.
Have you used it in anger yet and do we get to hear it?


Steve

Steve - I've used it but not in a metal context.

When I'm at my DAW next, I'll send you a link, be interesting to see what you think

I wish I could learn BFD,as it definitely has a more real drummer vibe about it when its tweaked,especially as Steve Corr has it sounding on his soundcloud,I definitely got that earlier yesterday/today[time zone stuff-no pun intended].

My problem is I want everything to sound like the end of the world,and SSD4 Old Zep[with other kicks n tweaks] and its just soo much easier on my Marshall 2203 hammered brain to get "that kinda" thing happening,and quickly. 

I hope to one day agree,but alas it's SSD/Old Zep almost everytime and usually my own patterns[not many toms unfortunately]with some cool fills from the EZ files or the Steve Ferone Grooves from Platinum Samples.
Bob

PS when it cools out in the desktop room[no insulation] in Autumn I hope to really learn BFD2.

Bob I agree with you about the SSD4. They sound great. I have them too. What I don't like is the GUI of the player and the lack of auto drum maps. Plus, though I can't be as sure as I should be, I believe BFD2 has an edge in ones ability to have the sound your own way. SSD4 is a worthy drum synth I wont deny that. BFD2 just fits me more in almost every way. Is it perfect? No, but close, very close. 

Ahh so I have finished up with X2 + the patch and things are good thus far. I let my curiosity get the best of me and opened up an old project from 6.x with BFD 1.5... Naturally it was not able to load any BFD but the MIDI was still there... I figured why not copy the midi to a new track and use Session Drummer... I did and it matched almost 100% of the hits, I'm impressed! However, I'm not impressed enough to not spend the cash on BFD 2 upgrade :)

KevinD


Ahh so I have finished up with X2 + the patch and things are good thus far. I let my curiosity get the best of me and opened up an old project from 6.x with BFD 1.5... Naturally it was not able to load any BFD but the MIDI was still there... I figured why not copy the midi to a new track and use Session Drummer... I did and it matched almost 100% of the hits, I'm impressed! However, I'm not impressed enough to not spend the cash on BFD 2 upgrade :)

Oh I see, for a moment I misread that as you weren't impressed enough to upgrade to BFD2
I'm so relieved to see I misread it.

Steve

Bristol_Jonesey


Steve - I've used it but not in a metal context.

When I'm at my DAW next, I'll send you a link, be interesting to see what you think

I'm not a metal fan by any stretch of the imagination (unless your're talking early sabath or  uriah heep)
so I'm quite pleased about that. 


Look forward to it.


As fir the cocktail kit, the second track on my soundcloud, "Abstraction" is the only thing I have up that's using the cocktail kit
but it's loaded with effects so you're not hearing it in the naughty nude. It's a very short piece that's a work in progress.




Steve

John


Bob I agree with you about the SSD4. They sound great. I have them too. What I don't like is the GUI of the player and the lack of auto drum maps. Plus, though I can't be as sure as I should be, I believe BFD2 has an edge in ones ability to have the sound your own way. SSD4 is a worthy drum synth I wont deny that. BFD2 just fits me more in almost every way. Is it perfect? No, but close, very close. 

John,I didn't realize you answered until now unfortunately,anyway with SSD I'm in total agreement on the GUI,in fact on my 1366x768 laptop screen the bottom of the mixer page will NOT SHOW[just "scrolling" arrow],which brings about all sorts of difficulties.


This is embarrasing,but I still don't know what a"drum map" is[well not completely],not for lack of trying,do you mean that,when in Piano Roll,the drum names automatically match?,without having to change to "generic MIDI" instead of piano keys?
Bob

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John


Bob I agree with you about the SSD4. They sound great. I have them too. What I don't like is the GUI of the player and the lack of auto drum maps. Plus, though I can't be as sure as I should be, I believe BFD2 has an edge in ones ability to have the sound your own way. SSD4 is a worthy drum synth I wont deny that. BFD2 just fits me more in almost every way. Is it perfect? No, but close, very close. 

John,I didn't realize you answered until now unfortunately,anyway with SSD I'm in total agreement on the GUI,in fact on my 1366x768 laptop screen the bottom of the mixer page will NOT SHOW[just "scrolling" arrow],which brings about all sorts of difficulties.


This is embarrasing,but I still don't know what a"drum map" is,not for lack of trying,do you mean that,when in Piano Roll,the drum names automatically match?,without having to change to "generic MIDI" instead of piano keys?
Bob

Bob not to worry. Yes that is exactly what I mean. In the PRV with BFD 2 or Eco the drum names show up as they are in the synth automatically. This happens even if you change the setup by adding a drum.

A drum map is a CW thing that will do this but you have to either have one already or make one. What it does is let you put a name to a note and route as you like. It can be used for other things too. Battery 3 does not automatically do this thus you to have a drum map or make one. With SSD4 there are none and thus you have to make your own.

To me this is a big deal.


Now there is no reason for embarrassment what so ever. What is embarrassing is an unasked question. 

Twaddle (Steve),

I am at the last full version release of the x64... I really am reluctant to load in the BETA BFD2 stuff (even though they are pretty rock solid).  I already spend way too much time being a computer geek than a musician in my studio.  But if you tell me it is worth it, I will try it.

I have a new DAW being built by Scott C and ADK... Apollo Thunderbolt running under WIN 7 (he tells me he can do this) and will be spending hours loading up my software in a couple of weeks.  Might as well upgrade BFD2 then.

Bristol, honestly, I never thought of layering a closed hihat with one of the open hat artics but it does sound like an interesting experiment, especially since you can control the gain of separate samples on the main screen.  It might work????

Thanks to all,
Jim