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  • Welp... I still have no idea how the heck MIDI channels work. :-/
2013/01/08 14:51:26
Beepster
I understand pretty much every little bit of knowledge put in front of me in regards to audio but MIDI? Ugh... no dice. Just spent a few hours trying to make the bank, patch, channel thingies on some MIDI channels DO something... ANYTHING but the only thing that I managed to make happen was completely turn off the sound... oh and I kind of figured out the channel arpeggiator... kind of.

Oh well. I guess I'll just have to stick to loading synths and using their property pages to find stuff I like then use that. Meh... I tried.

Seriously you guys who do this stuff all the time must be savants or something.
2013/01/08 15:13:30
garrigus
Those parameters are mainly used with external, hardware synths. They don't always work with soft synths because soft synths usually require loading samples. So you have to use the soft synth interface to load patches.

In addition, many soft synth are only single-timbral, so they don't require you to mess with MIDI channels.

A multitimbral synth like the TTS-1, however, supports all 16 MIDI channels, as well as banks and patches, via the Track Inspector.

Scott

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2013/01/08 15:25:54
Beepster
Thanks, Scott. I was actually trying all this with the TTS but nada. However I think something is fishy with my TTS installation. Even using the properties page I couldn't get it to change sounds so I opened up the manual to see if I was missing something but nope... the sound just wouldn't change. Very odd.

Anyway, thanks for the insight on the external thing. Maybe that and the combo of a buggy TTS is what the problem is. I don't think I really need to know that stuff to do what I want but I'm trying to be as thorough as possible. I think I'm just going to skim the rest of this section and maybe come back to it. Can't waste time on stuff that just isn't sinking in. It'll only frustrate me.

Cheers.
2013/01/08 15:32:13
dubdisciple
Like SCott said, it's more practical for use with hardware than softsynths. It's usually easier to have a second instance of a soft synth open than trying to mess around with patch changes.
2013/01/08 15:32:41
Guitarpima
Midi channels work with TTS-1.

Think of it like phone lines. An operater has to route call to the proper channels. At least in the old days operators did.

Some synths use channels. The Aria player, IK Multimedia synths and probably many others do as well. For the most part, it's not needed.
2013/01/08 15:34:46
Beepster
Okay... that's making sense. I did try briefly to get two instances of Dim Pro to trigger different sounds at the same from my controller with no luck but I didn't try very hard. Maybe I'll take another look at that. Thanks.
2013/01/08 15:36:35
Bub
Hi Beepster,

Another thing to keep in mind is, TTS-1's output can be funky if you have your project settings higher than 44.1kHz.

You have to go in to TTS-1's options and select 'Light Load Mode', then it will work at higher sample rates.

Another thing to remember is, 'Light Load Mode' is not sticky. IOW ... every time you close your project and re-open it, you will have to go back in and re-select 'Light Load Mode'.

Hope this helps.

Bub

Edit: Beagle is right in post #9 ... TTS-1 won't work at all if your project is set to 88.2kHz, even with 'Light Load Mode' enabled.
2013/01/08 15:37:02
Beepster
So essentially I just spun my wheels all afternoon. lol

I probably shouldn't be so OCD about this stuff. Perhaps it's time I just start making some tunes again before I go insane. 

;-)
2013/01/08 15:37:19
Beagle
Beepster


Thanks, Scott. I was actually trying all this with the TTS but nada. However I think something is fishy with my TTS installation. Even using the properties page I couldn't get it to change sounds so I opened up the manual to see if I was missing something but nope... the sound just wouldn't change. Very odd.

Anyway, thanks for the insight on the external thing. Maybe that and the combo of a buggy TTS is what the problem is. I don't think I really need to know that stuff to do what I want but I'm trying to be as thorough as possible. I think I'm just going to skim the rest of this section and maybe come back to it. Can't waste time on stuff that just isn't sinking in. It'll only frustrate me.

Cheers.

properties page of TTS-1 or of the MIDI track?
 
you can change the bank, channel & patch on the face of TTS-1 but that won't necessarily change the patch on the MIDI track once you hit play (depending on the MIDI events list)
 
from my experience TTS-1 isn't buggy.  the only thing I know of that is a problem with it is the fact that it won't run in 88k sampling rate (which doesn't bother me).
 
also, don't forget that you should be choosing banks and patches from the PRESET menus, not from the USER menus unless you've got some customized settings saved in the user ones.
2013/01/08 15:38:19
Beepster
Well that would explain it, Bub. Ha... no way I could have known that, eh. Cheers.

I'm shaking my head here. lulz
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