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  • Welp... I still have no idea how the heck MIDI channels work. :-/ (p.2)
2013/01/08 15:40:28
Beepster
Well crap... now I'm looking at my project and it's 44.1/16bit.

Weird. Oh well, I don't intend to use TTS anyway. Just thought it would be a good synth to learn this stuff with because of the multichannel multitimbral whatsamawhosits.
2013/01/08 15:42:47
dubdisciple
tts is good for that sort of thing if you are just curious. Not sure how much practical value you will get out of it.
2013/01/08 15:42:49
Bub
Beepster

Well that would explain it, Bub. Ha... no way I could have known that, eh. Cheers.

I'm shaking my head here. lulz
In case you didn't see my edit to my post ... Beagle is right, 88.2kHz won't work at all, even if 'Light Load Mode' is enabled.

I still use TTS-1 for quite a few things. There's some oddball percussion in there that isn't in SD3 or Dim Pro, and I still say the Upright Bass in TTS-1 is the best I've ever heard. You can go from subtle boominess to loud clacking on the fretboard depending on velocity settings. Pair it up with one of the Pro Channel comps and oh my. It's really great IMO.

2013/01/08 15:47:32
dubdisciple
This thread has motivated me to break out my old Alesis MMt8 sequencer.
2013/01/08 15:51:36
dmbaer
Beepster

I understand pretty much every little bit of knowledge put in front of me in regards to audio but MIDI? Ugh... no dice.
You might try reading this article by Ethan Winer ... a fine writer and teacher.  Haven't read this particular one myself, but it's not likely to be a waste of your time.
 
http://audioundone.com/free-download-midi-basics-by-ethan-winer

2013/01/08 15:55:11
John
MIDI is a language and a protocol that was meant to connect two instruments together. Its actually simple but powerful. To have a good understanding of MIDI one needs to study it independently of Sonar. I would get a book that is only about MIDI. I can help but its a large subject and not forum friendly.  

It has grown form its early roots to become the computer language of music. 

Musical Instrument Digital Interface. It is used in things other than music too. Heck if you think about it my Mackie Control uses MIDI to control Sonar. That is a machine talking to a machine. No music is produced. Other protocols have been used in the past and they all came up wanting to control a sequencer. Anybody remember Mlan? 

Than there is GM. General MIDI which is what we use most often in working with synths. GM is a set of guide lines that allow one synth to understand another one. But not exactly. A GM synth has to follow the GM spec. Most synths now don't completely. They kind of pick and choose what they want to support. 

I'm being simplistic but overall that is what MIDI is. One big thing to understand about MIDI is its relatively easy to convert MIDI to notation. Where audio is very hard to do that. One reason some of the first MIDI sequencers for computers used notation not the now familiar PRV.  
2013/01/08 15:57:43
Beepster
Well you guys have certainly given me a bit of a seedling on what's up so that's good. I think it's gonna have to sit in tha back of my mind and grow for a while though. I'm thinking to really get to meat of things I'm gonna have to read through the TTS manual or perhaps even better hook up my DX-7 to see what happens with that.

As always you guys keep me from getting totally stuck on stuff. Cheers.
2013/01/08 15:58:30
daveny5
Are you trying to use it to drive external devices or just softsynths? What are you trying to get MIDI to do for you? If its just controlling softsynths, keep in mind most softsynths only allow you to use one voice per instance of the softsynth. The TTS-1 is the exception in that it allows up to 16 different voices (1 per channel) simultaneously. So if you're using it to play some General MIDI files, you just have to assign each track's output to the TTS-1, select a different channel for each different sound, and assign the sounds via the Bank and Patch parameters on that track. Be careful if you're using someone else's MIDI files because they often have patch changes embedded in the track and that can cause the TTS-1 to do things you weren't expecting. 
2013/01/08 16:03:39
Beepster
I get the general concepts of MIDI and stuff (notes, velocity, controllers, etc...) but it seems when getting right down to setting up these patches and banks it ain't happening but as has been pointed out I'm obviously trying to change stuff that isn't even there in the first place. I really think I'm gonna have to go old school with the DX-7 to fully understand what's up. In the meantime though the internal synths will do everything I want. I just absolutely hate not knowing something... even more so when I'm trying to read about it and the info just ain't penetrating my thick skull. lol

I'll get it eventually though. I'm stubborn like that.

Thanks again guys.
2013/01/08 16:06:48
M_Glenn_M
I sympathize as I'm just starting out with MIDI.
I like the TTS-1. Easy to learn the basics and a good idea to get familiar with it before moving on. (I also like the SI instruments)
First off it seems the order of things is important.
1.You do have to connect your input device first
2.Then boot up Sonar and set preferences to find it.
3.Then run a new TTS-1 and it will find it and do it all.
I spent hours dicking around with settings before I learned this one.
In any case it seems common enough for Midi in Sonar to drop out or stop playing which compounds the confusion in the earliest stages. You think you did something wrong.
I love the editing in PRV. I mostly get it now. It's very fast and easy to add and change everything.
There are some good videos on it.
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