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2013/01/06 18:25:39
paulo
Loptec


paulo


sharke


The only annoying thing about having dual monitors is....and this is REALLY exposing my unbridled laziness....is when you fire up your computer with one monitor on because you don't think you'll need the other one, but then you open a folder or program and it doesn't appear. Damn! It's on the other screen. Now I gotta lean forward and turn it on....

I know I know, #firstworldproblems


:)

The most annoying thing for me is that a whole widescreen monitor of x1/x2 console view just sucks, which is why I went back to 8.5PE.

what annoys you with the console view in X1&X2 that's better in 8.5PE?

if it's the width of the channels in X1&X2, you know you can select strips -> narrow all strips in console view to fit more channels on the screen, right?

or is it something else that annoys you?

The colour of it - all that light grey is just awful and hard to look at for me. In 8.5 you can change it, but in the name of "progress" that feature has been removed and it was enough of a show stopper for me. Shame, 'cos I quite like the track view and it has some nice features, but I tried it for a month and just couldn't live with the console view any longer.

2013/01/06 18:38:56
Loptec
paulo


Loptec


paulo


sharke


The only annoying thing about having dual monitors is....and this is REALLY exposing my unbridled laziness....is when you fire up your computer with one monitor on because you don't think you'll need the other one, but then you open a folder or program and it doesn't appear. Damn! It's on the other screen. Now I gotta lean forward and turn it on....

I know I know, #firstworldproblems


:)

The most annoying thing for me is that a whole widescreen monitor of x1/x2 console view just sucks, which is why I went back to 8.5PE.

what annoys you with the console view in X1&X2 that's better in 8.5PE?

if it's the width of the channels in X1&X2, you know you can select strips -> narrow all strips in console view to fit more channels on the screen, right?

or is it something else that annoys you?

The colour of it - all that light grey is just awful and hard to look at for me. In 8.5 you can change it, but in the name of "progress" that feature has been removed and it was enough of a show stopper for me. Shame, 'cos I quite like the track view and it has some nice features, but I tried it for a month and just couldn't live with the console view any longer.

haha 
lright.. guess changing the witdh of the channels won't help you with that one.. :P
2013/01/06 19:38:11
sharke
Jeff Evans


What the subject line should say is Before All Else Set Your Speakers up Properly. Here is a point against the multiple monitor thing.

One should be mindful of the fact that the moment you introduce a second or third monitor speaker placement starts to go out the window to ensure one can see all their monitors. Look at the set-up in post #25 for example. Sure he has got three monitors but his speakers are way up high. Very poor. If you have to stand up to hear your speakers clearly you have failed in my opinion.

We are in the business of producing audio and that involves using our ears. More visual devices do not help, they only get in the way. There has already been a lot said (by experts) about turning off your monitor(s) or covering them up and just listening. It is quite interesting actually. Ever tried it?

A well designed program can easily work only on one monitor. My work flow is a fast as any person here with three monitors probably faster. 

Even one monitor can skew the sound in between your speakers. In mastering situations the monitor placement is often for the benefit of the sound not the visual.

I say get your speakers down into the right position, set them up properly, set them the right distance apart, position yourself the right distance from them and revel in the sound. That will improve your production many many times more than getting another monitor and it does not cost a thing!  The more you listen and use your ears the less interested you actually become in monitors and you find yourself getting rid of them rather than accumulating them. 

PS Remember the old days, there were no monitors and they manage very well. Very well in fact. The guys that need the monitors are the TV editors and maybe the Stock Market dudes!

Looking at random photos of professional recording studios online it seems clear that dual monitor setups are pretty much the norm. The speakers should ideally make an equilateral triangle with the listener's head. Most desktop speaker setups I see (even with one monitor) make an obtuse triangle in which the distance between the speakers is larger than the distance between the head and either speaker. 


Besides, there's no reason why a monitor couldn't be removed temporarily for mixing/mastering purposes. For tracking though, I very much doubt whether my workflow could ever be faster with just one monitor. It helps me tremendously to have the clips pane as large as possible so that I have an overview of the song structure, while having things like the PRV on the other screen. And it's not just a matter of speed - having things spaced out and uncluttered makes me think more clearly. It's like some kind of digital Feng Shui. 
2013/01/06 19:40:42
JazzSinger
Loptec


paulo


sharke


The only annoying thing about having dual monitors is....and this is REALLY exposing my unbridled laziness....is when you fire up your computer with one monitor on because you don't think you'll need the other one, but then you open a folder or program and it doesn't appear. Damn! It's on the other screen. Now I gotta lean forward and turn it on....

I know I know, #firstworldproblems


:)

The most annoying thing for me is that a whole widescreen monitor of x1/x2 console view just sucks, which is why I went back to 8.5PE.

what annoys you with the console view in X1&X2 that's better in 8.5PE?

if it's the width of the channels in X1&X2, you know you can select strips -> narrow all strips in console view to fit more channels on the screen, right?

or is it something else that annoys you?
The space it takes compared to 8.5.
You've done a 1:1 comparison, right?
2013/01/07 03:57:22
Bristol_Jonesey
I've been running dual monitors since 2007

Recently, I had to "borrow" one because the monitor on my other machine had failed - believe me, being forced to work with just a single monitor was an awful experience!

Getting it back after I fixed the other one was like getting an old friend back
2013/01/07 12:52:51
Fearful Symmetry
Yesterday I tried dual monitors for the first time and agree that they are an asset. However, in my case, the second monitor obstructed one or other of my speakers in a way that I could not resolve without major surgery to the room. The room is ACR-corrected and working well and I had no desire to risk moving things around. 

I then tried as per below. I needed to remove the base of the second monitor and "flip" the landscape but it seems to be working well as a setup. The only thing so far is that mouse movement back and forth is somewhat counter-intuitive - but I'm sure that it'll be second nature in a matter of time.



2013/01/07 12:59:34
John
Fearful Symmetry


Yesterday I tried dual monitors for the first time and agree that they are an asset. However, in my case, the second monitor obstructed one or other of my speakers in a way that I could not resolve without major surgery to the room. The room is ACR-corrected and working well and I had no desire to risk moving things around. 

I then tried as per below. I needed to remove the base of the second monitor and "flip" the landscape but it seems to be working well as a setup. The only thing so far is that mouse movement back and forth is somewhat counter-intuitive - but I'm sure that it'll be second nature in a matter of time.




You have a perfect setup for a nice touch monitor. As a matter of fact that is how I envision how to use a touch monitor. 
2013/01/07 13:34:42
Fearful Symmetry
Additional to above: If you decide to do this, then Right Click Desktop/Screen Resolution/Drag second monitor below first/Apply. This will allow your mouse to move up and down freely between screens. Sorry if this is common knowledge.
2013/01/07 13:44:01
TraceyStudios
Stupidist thing I did when I purchased a new computer: got a dual monitor card....should have got the 3 monitor card!!! Remember, more is better right?! :)
2013/01/07 15:45:15
burkek
JazzSinger


Am I the only one here run a laptop-based mobile studio?

I also have an Ultrabook-based portable setup (purely for songwriting).
 
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