Definitely puts sonar x2 in the "also ran" category.  Some of the features in Ableton 9 are looking very attractive and having worked with 8 it is definitely more stable for me than sonar. Does anyone use the matrix view?  if so how does it compare to Abelton in your experience?

I haven't read the review yet but if they are comparing Sonar to Ableton it's kind of like apples and oranges IMHO. Completely different philosophies and type of user IMHO.
 

They aren't comparing it to Ableton (that was me having just started dabbling with Ableton) they are just saying that it doesn't do anything extra that all other DAW's can't and in fact the integration and workflow suffers compared to most other DAWS

 Can't see how Ableton and Sonar are so different they both do exactly the same job which is to record, sequence and mix audio and midi

PTheory


Definitely puts sonar x2 in the "also ran" category. 

Having read the review prior to seeing this and then re-reading after - I have to disagree with your summary.  


I thought it was well written, highlighting the features the reviewer thought had been improved in X2 and suggesting it was a worthwhile upgrade for existing users with not too many head scratching moments for people used to other DAWs. The fact that there was not much to make other DAW users jump ship to Sonar IMO is much more a reflection that they are all already at a high level (and therefore sensible journalism) rather than labelling Sonar as an "also ran"


Andy

I have to disagree as well. it seemed to be more of a product summary than a critical review. And I didn't pick up on any negativity. The article did have some critical points, but overall it was a well reasoned piece.

As a user of Ableton Live and Sonar X2 I would say they both compliment each other pretty well. I will often start a track in Live and then when I have the parts and structure I will finish the mix in Sonar. I have also read the review on SOS and thought it was a positive review.

PTheory


They aren't comparing it to Ableton (that was me having just started dabbling with Ableton) they are just saying that it doesn't do anything extra that all other DAW's can't and in fact the integration and workflow suffers compared to most other DAWS

Can't see how Ableton and Sonar are so different they both do exactly the same job which is to record, sequence and mix audio and midi

That is such B.S.  Where is your link to this, "review."   Go try to fast bounce in Ableton Live.   Go try to, "remove silence," in Ableton Live.  Go achieve Fx on an audio clip in Ableton Live....


And PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE...  Try create 25 send buses in Ableton Live.


  Hmmm...   Its too easy for to come along criticize Sonar.   Ableton Live is, "well marketed junk," with expensive upgrade fees. 

This is all I could find, "its raving with excitement for Sonar X2," however you need a subscription to read the entire article.

http://www.soundonsound.c.../articles/sonar-x2.htm

Thats what I do too

karhide


As a user of Ableton Live and Sonar X2 I would say they both compliment each other pretty well. I will often start a track in Live and then when I have the parts and structure I will finish the mix in Sonar. I have also read the review on SOS and thought it was a positive review.

Not for any reasons of disatisfaction with Sonar but I purchased Ableton about 8 weeks ago and I've been doing a 'deep dive' with it ever since. It is a very powerful tool but I have to admit there are a lot of head scratching moments. I think it is a fantastic sampler though...However trying to compare The Matrix to Session View in Live is really unfair in my opinion. The Session View is much more capable.

However the Track View or Console View in Sonar puts the Arrange View and the strips in the Sesion view to shame.

YMMV

Regards,