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  • Fades To Black - Too grim? (p.2)
2014/09/26 12:21:52
Lynn
Kenny, thanks for your comments.  One note - when submitting his guitar track for this tune, my friend Rich played major chords against a minor progression.  I left it as is because I didn't want the main verse progression to be too dark, especially played against the two bridges.
 
Shawn, you need not apologize for being disturbed about this subject.  That's why I was hesitant to print the lyrics.  Thanks for your response (I want it to be, at least, a little disturbing to the listener).
2014/09/26 12:40:23
AT
No topic is off topic.
 
Nice production.  Great bass - well played and mixed.  The rest of is up to snuff.
 
I'd drop the sticks a few dB.  And add a few dBs to the vocals coming in to make them clearer.
 
Great song dealing honestly w/ a tough topic.
 
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2014/09/26 18:16:18
Lynn
AT, thanks for your comments.  Your suggestions are good, and I will take them into account on the next pass.  Good ears!
2014/09/26 19:08:33
drma173
Lynn
To Herb, G-bros, Wookie, Tony, Robert, and Dan thanks for your time and kind words.  You've all influenced me in one way or another over the last few years.  Though, I have a long ways to go, I feel that my mixing skills have taken an upswing due to the good advice from those at this forum.


No prob Lynn great work man
2014/09/27 08:52:12
jamesg1213
Interesting way to tackle the subject, the feel is almost quirky new-wave (brought to mind the B-52's). The only thing I would change about the mix is the guitar way over on the right, that was quite distracting and seemed disconnected from the rest, maybe pull that in and soften it down a touch?
2014/09/27 10:50:26
Rimshot
I think you did a good job on the melody and playing, production and mix.  From a producer's perspective, I feel the power of the lyrics and the sad story being told is not reflective in the style of the song.  As someone pointed out earlier, if not for reading the lyrics, the song takes on a whole other perspective. 
Anyway, good job on this endeavor!
2014/09/27 15:34:04
bapu
My mayte Jaymes has the right of it (pun in ten did) about the guitar.
2014/09/28 13:19:18
Lynn
jamesg1213
Interesting way to tackle the subject, the feel is almost quirky new-wave (brought to mind the B-52's). The only thing I would change about the mix is the guitar way over on the right, that was quite distracting and seemed disconnected from the rest, maybe pull that in and soften it down a touch?


bapu
My mayte Jaymes has the right of it (pun in ten did) about the guitar.


Thanks for your replies.  Now that you mention it, I hear it that way, too.  Your suggestions are good and will be incorporated in the next mix.  Good catch!

Rimshot (Jimmy), I know what you mean.  Had I changed those background chords to Gm and Cm, it would have sounded much darker.  However, I was looking for a contrast between the verses and the bridges for a bit more impact.  It's kind of like:  should I have added salt or sugar to the mix?  (or bitters)  Thanks for your input.
2014/09/28 17:42:02
BenMMusTech
Hi Lynn sorry I haven't had a chance to listen to this to today (I've been busy doing new composition for PHD proposal :) )
 
Now there is no such thing as too grim within art, even in popular art (if that even exists anymore, I think we have mass culture these days).  It sounds like late 70's rock just after punk, touches of Ramones.  So don't censor yourself, you don't want to be ****en Justin Beiber...maybe you do LoL, maybe try the haircut first then the bad attitude.  I wouldn't mind the bad attitude actually if he actually had talent, heck everyone knows my bad attitude.  Sorry digressing. 
 
I like it, I thought the snare was a little thin a first but after a second listen, it's within range.  Guitar's are fine, no rules :) one or two instruments need to be at the forefront, when will people realise that mixing is painting not science. I was thinking raise the vocal slightly but then I think the mix would be too loud, there was a section in the middle that pushed that, try compressing final mix at that a bit more and when mastering hover over that section to get that compression right.
 
Hmm the vocoder, wow it sounds like such an ancient relic these days, I liked it but I also didn't hmm I can't explain.  These days I use melodyne and VVocal for my robot voices, it represents the modern, better I think.  On saying that this is 70's thrash punk on the cusp on 1980, so yea you see what I mean.  Maybe try a remix and try and modernise the sounds of the track.  Cut it up slightly and use a combination of robo voice techniques (robot harmony, something I'm experimenting with).  I was going to suggest just the robo voice and nothing else as an intro, but on a third listen I realise you've done that, maybe a longer intro, ala a dancey sort of remix.  Emphasise the really grim aspects, and use Reaper's varispeed to slow it down to give it a space drug death feel.  Nothing too hardcore but just enough to feel it.  Hmm, I hope I haven't been too picky.  I guess what I am suggesting is keep this version because it's excellent, maybe raise the harmony vocals, I want them to be clear.  But do a dance remix because it already has that feel.  Oh I loved the ending, I thought something was wrong, then I realized you were being literal lol.
 
Ben    
2014/09/29 14:39:58
markno999
Lynn,
 
Great production.   I don't think your topic is too grim, however, I don't think the words match the musical style.  I was waiting for Fred Schneider to say "Rock Lobster".    Musically it sounds like a feel good party song.  Even knowing the words, it still didn't connect for me because I "felt good" listening to it.   I hope this is useful.  
 
It is a really good song, If it were my song, I might consider altering some of the words to make it a feel better song, and make a more depressing song chordally and rhythmically to capture the postpartum depression topic.   Nice work.   I like the song a lot....
 
Regards
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