Yep. That's what everyone else is saying how this now works. Yes there is an M-Audio piece of software you can adjust as well. I never use that though. That's always maxed out.

ALL DAWS work this way. in this respect SONAR 2 worked no differently then, than SONAR X2 does today.

It is not possible for a DAW to alter the level being sent from the output of an audio device to the input of a computer Audio interface.

Jeff's comments only serve to confuse the issue as what is being controlled is via MIDI control of the outputs in the cakewalk VS700 audio device not the level coming into SONAR. Its a function of the integration between the hardware and software not the recording software itself eg SONAR.

The only level you will change is what you're monitoring and listening to ; not what you're actually recording.

In a DAW that's all the fader controls during the recording process ie the monitoring level/

The recording level is controlled by the input device. If that is a guitar amp then you need to turn the amp to the correct level if its a mic then the Mic preamp needs to be set with the correct output level.

Check out zero latency recording say with focusrite mix control. An understanding of this leads to an understanding as to why no DAW should control the input level. It would be bad design.

It would, however, be possible to lower the gain on the digital signal before the record meter, and write that altered level to disk while recording. If you clipped the A/D converter, you'd just have a clipped signal that was below 0dB. But perhaps this is what SONAR 2 was doing before the Bakers came to their senses.

I don't recall, because I was off doing something else for a few years, and jumped straight from PA9 to S4. And even if I had used S2, I probably wouldn't remember anymore. 

Yes sorry for any confusion. I am talking about something else. ie remote control of a Mic Pre. I was referring to the VS700 I/O Editor and the Mic Pre Tab within that program. With other DAW's you need to run the VS700R I/O editor as a separate program. From Sonar you can get to it directly from the 'Tools' Menu and select VS700. (in 8.5 anyway)

You might find Octa Capture works in a similar way. 

I agree with what John is saying below in post #27. ie remote control of a Mic Pre. Sonar still has no control over the signal coming in.       

But this is an exception, as a rule what everyone is saying is correct here. You need to set levels correctly before the audio interface.  

dabogdan


Hey guys, looks like you're all correct and I am not. Sonar version 2 did this and X1 doesn't. boo hoo! Thanks again for your help. Dave

There has never been a SONAR or Cakewalk version that can control the input level. The input level is determined in your audio interface when the signal is digitized by A/D converters. After that, if the signal is clipped, you can control how loud you want to hear the clipped signal, but there's no way you can remove the clipping.

Jeff Evans


First of all there is no way Sonar or any other DAW can adjust the level before it hits the AD converter of a digital device....

Not completely true John. VStudio  VS700R owners have control over the input Pad and level before the signal hits the A to D converter via the software control. But overall you are correct as in this case it is rather specialised. (I have checked the block diagram and unless I am wrong that seems to be the case)

If I understand correctly that has nothing to do with the record level fader in Sonar. That is a separate control that is not accessed via the Console View or the TV but rather a control panel of its own inside Sonar.

Below is from the V700 brochure. 
Mic Preamp Settings
Easily access the eight digitally controlled mic preamps in the
VS-700R through the VS-700 Control Panel in SONAR and add
digital effects such as LF Cut, Compressor and Pad on each
channel. Easily save your settings as presets to use at a later time. 

In other words its an add on. 

Sonar can not control the recorded signal or adjust the inputs of hardware. 

What Roland is doing is using the computer because they don't appear to have actual knobs on the I/O unit. Sonar though is doing nothing.

Hey, I Think ive found the resolution to this problem. Open X1 & Any project, look right above the actual window with the faders, there will be a row of different options [i.e. View, Options, Tracks, Layers, Clip, MIDI, V- Vocal]. Go into "Options" then go down to Meter Options, Record Meter Options, & Set it to " -12db"  .. The random jumping of the faders should disappear. 

Tevaughn


Hey, I Think ive found the resolution to this problem. Open X1 & Any project, look right above the actual window with the faders, there will be a row of different options [i.e. View, Options, Tracks, Layers, Clip, MIDI, V- Vocal]. Go into "Options" then go down to Meter Options, Record Meter Options, & Set it to " -12db"  .. The random jumping of the faders should disappear. 

Que?