Dear Cakewalk, I HATE Apple. With a passion. I don't like Macs. I think they're overrated. I love Sonar. I really do. But, I'm sorry, Macs have one thing going for them: Logic Pro 9. And, what's so great about Logic Pro 9? What sets it apart from Sonar? AMAZING NOTATION. So, what is it with you people? It's almost 2013. Why can't you just either develop a great notation interface within Sonar OR get together with a notation company, such as Sibelius and let THEM do the notation part. I'd GLADLY pay more for Sonar upgrades if it had a fantastic notation system. When I say "fantastic notation system," I mean completely the opposite of what you guys have now. I mean, it really, completely SUCKS. It's terrible. It's a nightmare to use. I've made this post before, I know. I'm also not sorry. Your notation REALLY sucks. As a customer, I'd like to see this fixed.

As far as I can tell nothing has changed since sonar 1. 

As said before and before, Sonar is geared more for recording and mixing. Sonar will never be a full fledged notation program as Sibelius.

It seems like you have beeen waiting for this for 6 or 7 years or so. If i was you, i would stop waiting. It isnt going to happen.
If you look at the track record beginning at the first version of cakewalk, you'll see that natation has stayed the same, for the most part. They never claimed to be a notation software and by looking at the big picture through the 15 years, they never will and that is just fine with me.

You may want to pay allot more for sonar upgrades, if notation was better, but i wouldn't.

CJaysMusic


As said before and before, Sonar is geared more for recording and mixing. Sonar will never be a full fledged notation program as Sibelius.

It seems like you have beeen waiting for this for 6 or 7 years or so. If i was you, i would stop waiting. It isnt going to happen.
If you look at the track record beginning at the first version of cakewalk, you'll see that natation has stayed the same, for the most part. They never claimed to be a notation software and by looking at the big picture through the 15 years, they never will and that is just fine with me.

You may want to pay allot more for sonar upgrades, if notation was better, but i wouldn't.

CJ that is not what the OP is saying. He is not asking for Sibelius he is asking CW to bring Sonar up to the same ability as Logic and Cubase. Sibelius was mentioned as a collaboration only.  

And yes we have asked for this year after year. It seems to me you would have gotten the idea by now.

To say that Sonar is geared toward recording and mixing is completely wrong. It is also geared toward composition just as much. Notation is also a part of Sonar and it needs to be upgraded. That concept can't be that hard to get a grasp on. It never fails. Someone wants CW to improve the Staff view and someone pipes in denouncing it often by making a specious argument like the one above. 

it may not be an important part to some but it is to others. It wont hurt so please try to find a way to support it. BTW CW has said it is on the agenda. We just don't know when.

BTW CW has said it is on the agenda.

Really? Good. I very much want to use the SV to hone my notation skills, compose with it and incorporate it into lessons for potential students. Hopefully they fix up that weird arsed chord diagram generator too. That thing is like a bad acid trip.

Oh and I truly hope it can be patched into X2. I doubt I'll be able to upgrade for a while and don't think we should have to pay for something that should be working in the first place. I'm sure that won't be the case though. It'd be nice if some third party program could be Rewired into Sonar somehow. Like a VST or whatever.

There are two sides to this – two types of notation user -  and the fact gets constantly overlooked - it has been again above despite many threads on this.
 
Many of those of us who are heavy notation users want notation in Sonar as the excellent tool for inputting MIDI information that it was at one point shaping up to be (it started going backwards in workflow terms with X1).  That’s really all we ask for, though if we could get an efficient means of interfacing with score-production software it would be great.   
 
There are, however, those who seem to think that it should go further and be capable of producing printable scores and parts like Sibelius/Finale or whatever.   This, to me (and I know to others),  is unrealistic.  (I should add I worked as a copyist and arranger since the days when it was done by pen so I know what's required).  
 
However, the designers seem to have tried to take this lobbying on board and have ended up trying to satisfy these demands by giving prominence to stuff like expression marks, chord diagrams and even lyrics –all meaningless clutter on the screen if you just want to input music - at the expense of quick and efficient inputting of complex notation.   I think they have realised that providing the capability of the sheet music apps is a losing battle, which is OK by me but it also seems they are shying away from improving the inputting side of notation – a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.   
 
To make it worse, any thread on notation gets the two conflicting points of view confused, and the arguments start, with those who never even use notation chipping in to say demands for improvements  are unreasonable – that  ‘it ain’t gonna happen’  - because they don’t understand the distinction.

I've never heard anyone describe Logic's notation as Amazing...

It's been awhile now, back around SONAR 7 or early 8, but Cakewalk acknowledged that the notation needed improvement. Cakewalk understood what was really needed, even if some of the forum posters did not. Cakewalk said that it did not have the resources to make it a priority at that time. After that, a few of us held out hope that something would happen. My hope has faded almost away, but it isn't completely gone.

FWIW Notion 4 is now 64bits and so can be rewired into Sonar.

Clt,
Jerry