vladasyn


Mg Witt, thank you for the detailed uninstall. I have even better idea: why not uninstall Windows and install it all over?

To me- the program should install and uninstall naturally. I do not have to have IT certificates to be able to use it. And while I do have some IT certs, I do not wish to be involved with what you just posted- thanks, tho, I will save it for the future. Couple years ago I re-installed Windows, so I only had SP 8, X1 and X2 installed.

Bob, thank you for the good laugh. However, no one talks about installing anything extraordinary. No jump in the traffic. Just regular everyday things. The software should be able to accept other gear made by standards- there are standards, right? lol. VST is nice standard, ASIO is another. I should not worry when I buy gear if the drivers will be compatable. In fact- I have a problem with Roland Fantom made by- well- Roland and Cakewalk- owned by Roland- that should not be happening. And I do not see any Cakewalk reps. joining conversation and attempting to solv it. See my other thread, about "strange MIDI Loop".

My set up is not traditional. My studio is inflated like a bubble. Many people would say it is surprising that Sonar runs at all. I feel like it should work don't matter what I add to it. And it does. It just- well- crashes- always- daily, and been doing it for years. You want to hear my music- well- it not happening- I do not have anything recent. My art is in maintaining my gear. I settle down to record and it takes 2- 3 hours to record 1 track for one reason or another.

You are all very helpful. I just don't know if it worth to talk about my "outdated" XP system. I can try.

I agree with you. The Program should install and uninstall on its own. You should not need to go into the registry and remove every line of string and every key. It will install and uninstall naturally.

The Software should be able to accept gear by standards. The problem is some hardware vendors have a bad habit of writing crappy drivers. It has been my experience that when The OS is upgraded Some hardware vendors don't spend a lot of resources on drivers. This means newer drivers are released with bugs. That is why there are so many different versions of drivers for any given piece of hardware.

Of course this is not the case with all hardware. This is one reason why people ask to see the system specs. I can tell you stories of crappy hardware I used in the past and how I blamed Sonar at first. It was only shortly after that I discovered I was having problems with the hardware even working at all in the OS.

This is why Bob is always asking for system specs. Hat's off to Bob he is always so helpful. Cakewalk has a system of reporting problems and fixing known issues with updates. I would say well over half the issues people bring to the forum are user error. Some are hardware related. and some are issues that need to be addressed by Cakewalk. It does suck when your art form changes to maintaining your gear. I am sorry to hear that.



"You are all very helpful. I just don't know if it worth to talk about my "outdated" XP system. I can try."

It should be noted that X2 does not work on windows XP Machines. X1 was not designed for Windows XP as well. That may be part of the problem. 

jb101

robert_e_bone


Quoting JB101: Be careful, though.  I used an analogy on here once and got harangued for it.  People will be telling you that music studios don't have dogs as a rule, DAWS don't travel at 70mph and computers don't run on petrol


You are correct - the first part of analogy ain't pretty.

That might be true in this universe, about studios not having dogs, etc - but if that guy is going to present an alternative reality where all software is impregnable, then I can in self defense present my dogs and cars arguments (my fantasy world is just as valid as anyone else's).  :)

Bob Bone

Hey, Bob, I wasn't getting at you.  I agreed entirely.
 
I was just warning you that some people are stupid and will misunderstand analogies and think they are literal.  See the post above yours for proof.

I completely understood where you were coming from, and my response was really just another dig at the rather bold assessment on how software should just work, no matter what.  I was certainly not taking any offense at your comments - which were just as lighthearted as mine. 


To the other person - don't remember the profile name - I think it is the woman, I absolutely DO agree that the uninstall process for removing registry keys and all of that other stuff should be able to be done by the uninstall process for Sonar, and should NOT require editing the registry and all of that.  Even folks that do that kind of thing often can still make mistakes,  I am a programmer, and I create and delete and update keys in the registry all the time, so I do not understand why that cannot be automated.


My comments were just toward the notion that software must be made exception proof.  Obviously that is a lofty goal, but quite difficult to do.  Virtually every single computer manufacturer and software company I can think of provides a mechanism to distribute patches that correct bugs.  It is quite simply the nature of the beast.


So, ma'am, I truly meant no disrespect, and if EVER I can assist you in your struggles to keep it all up and running as smoothly as possible, please know that you can count on me to try my best on your behalf.  And even though I poked fun at that other guy's comments, I would put the same level of effort into assisting him, were he to post an issue with sufficient clarity to allow proper assistance to be rendered.


Bob Bone

Sorry to see you go Chris but I completely understand. 

All during the X1 fiasco people kept telling us it was our system, yet all the daws you mentioned worked on a level that X1 could not reach. Not even close. X2 comes, and its working great for me on the same pc X1 brought to its knees. 
Sonar is so sensitive to what it runs on its not even funny.


I know you well enough by talking to you here to know you have exhausted every avenue before making this call. 

Good luck.

Bub

vladasyn


Mg Witt, thank you for the detailed uninstall. I have even better idea: why not uninstall Windows and install it all over?

To me- the program should install and uninstall naturally. I do not have to have IT certificates to be able to use it. And while I do have some IT certs, I do not wish to be involved with what you just posted- thanks, tho, I will save it for the future. Couple years ago I re-installed Windows, so I only had SP 8, X1 and X2 installed.

Bob, thank you for the good laugh. However, no one talks about installing anything extraordinary. No jump in the traffic. Just regular everyday things. The software should be able to accept other gear made by standards- there are standards, right? lol. VST is nice standard, ASIO is another. I should not worry when I buy gear if the drivers will be compatable. In fact- I have a problem with Roland Fantom made by- well- Roland and Cakewalk- owned by Roland- that should not be happening. And I do not see any Cakewalk reps. joining conversation and attempting to solv it. See my other thread, about "strange MIDI Loop".

My set up is not traditional. My studio is inflated like a bubble. Many people would say it is surprising that Sonar runs at all. I feel like it should work don't matter what I add to it. And it does. It just- well- crashes- always- daily, and been doing it for years. You want to hear my music- well- it not happening- I do not have anything recent. My art is in maintaining my gear. I settle down to record and it takes 2- 3 hours to record 1 track for one reason or another.

You are all very helpful. I just don't know if it worth to talk about my "outdated" XP system. I can try.

@vladasyn - please check your private messages for one I just sent you - thanks.

Bob Bone

There's real comedy here on this thread, we've said farewell to a longtime Sonar user, helped a disgruntled user,
apologized for using an analogy, gone through a technical essay about uninstalling Sonar, got philosophical about software
policies in a changing world . . .

It's the pop thread of the day, but the OP's long gone, just makes me laugh.
Thanks for that.

I will say that any kind of interruptions to creative work flow are really frustrating, and I too am sorry someone got to the point of walking away from Sonar.

Someone earlier had mentioned crappy drivers from some external hardware companies, and I too have seen that over and over again.

Further, there are a BUNCH of companies that will not have Windows 8 drivers available for quite some time, and yet the Cakewalk folks had to develop X2 and its touch support in the vacuum of not having those products able to be used in testing.  That certainly complicated the Sonar development efforts, but overall it is a pretty good version.

Yes there are bugs, and hopefully they will get addressed as soon as possible - there were a whole bunch of fixes in the X2a release.

And, a lot of issues reported are really due to settings needing tweaking, or folks not reading the manuals or doing the tutorials.  By all means not all - there are still bugs for sure.

I have also seen now several instances where someone has reported being fed up with a lack of support, but they hadn't posted the issues, and therefore nobody could help them with the ones that could be helped.  They just kept it bottled up inside, until the frustration got so great that they snapped and essentially rage quit.

Really, there are a whole lot of folks in this community forum, and we are all on the same team - trying to make music using Sonar.  We all are here to learn, to resolve, and to help each other whenever we can.

So, please, if you are out there having issues - post them so if they can be helped they will be helped.  Maybe that will help the next guy/gal get things working better, so they don't feel they have to leave.

Bob Bone

noynekker


There's real comedy here on this thread, we've said farewell to a longtime Sonar user, helped a disgruntled user,
apologized for using an anology, gone through a technical essay about uninstalling Sonar, got philosophical about software
policies in a changing world . . .

It's the pop thread of the day, but the OP's long gone, just makes me laugh.
Thanks for that.

Well, yeah.  :)


This type of thread always leads to lots of what you saw here in this thread.  I just wish the original long gone poster had posted more of the issues prior to getting to that point.  Under the comedy/philosophy/etc, it is sad to see someone get that frustrated.


Bob Bone

Sonar runs like a  greyhound and i'm using a computer that was setup to run winXP media center from back in the day,i ugraded to vista then win7 added max memory,which is only FOUR gigs and the only problem i had was one issue with drop outs that i took care of by setting my buffers correctly.i set sonar up according to what i use,I/O's etc... and no problems at all,through all of sonars upgrades and updates,still running with no problems,same computer. Thinkin about Win8 now, GO SONAR!!!!!!

OOohh i also have a couple of 30 track projects,No problems.....

"Its over"? I'm always the last to know. I should have known when you didn't call. 

John


"Its over"? I'm always the last to know. I should have known when you didn't call. 

Yes. it's over.  And I DID call - your voice mail box was full.  So who have YOU been talking to where your messages are full?


And, you forgot our anniversary, AGAIN.  And you failed this month's Cosmo quiz, again.


It's just not working - I think we need some space.


How'd I do?  :)