Beepster


Hey, John. You know more about this stuff. Take a look at that vid he posted and see what's happening in Geist. You'll probably be able to dissect it better than I can and offer Sonar based alternatives. To me it seems like Geist would be more difficult and limiting to work with but I just don't know enough to put it into words properly. The only thing I see that might be easier is when they split up the loop and the sections automatically map to the controller. Not sure if that can be done in Sonar. Cheers.

I didn't see anything in that vid that one couldn't do in Sonar. I also forgot to mention Dropzone. It was made for Hip Hop more or less. Beep I am no expert on Hip Hop. 

How hard is it to program a beat and rap into a microphone? Sonar does it as well as anything. Oops, is that being ignorant?.......sorry bout that (couldn't help the pot-shot being that some people don't like that genera and are not IGNORANT :heavy eyeroll: ) Anyways, now that that is over, think about Live seriously. I have maschine but I get tired of it being one core only and you are really limited to what plugs you can use and such. With live, you can be free to do whatever. You don't need the MPC style pads and it's actually much easier to use something like a notation impulse (though "push" is coming soon........VERY pricy but man, it looks SWEET!) Anyways, that being said, there isn't any reason you can't use sonar. Every hear of "public enemy" (you know, back before "hip hop" is joke with the likes of lil vane and filthy cent??) Anyways, Chuck at least used to be a HUGE sonar guy. That's about a "hip hop" as it comes so, I'd think that maybe with advances in tech it might even be better? ;)

So, I don't know if this is off topic, but you can split up a loop and then nudge the different beats into new orders... it's kinda fun and not too tricky. Check out the nudge feature. I think you go into loop constructor and split at transient or something? Then you grab the various beats and nudge them left and right... This may be off topic, but it's a fun way to create random musical madness.

I knew I would get at least one guy in the crowd. Chrisharbin, I did not say that disliking hip-hop made one ignorant. I said the topic tends to generate ignorant comments on here. I don't like polka but it would never dawn on me to go into a topic on polka for the sole purpose of saying it sucks. I also used to spend quite a bit of time around Chuck D when Public Enemy was actually popular. 1) Chuck did not d othe production. 2) The production was very very akai based. Mostly s1000's and S950s. I think most of you (and i will blame myself for not being clearer) are missing the point of my request. I am well aware that one can make hip-hop in Sonar. I'm sure i mentioned it in my first post. I can make hip-hop on Sonar and i am sure if you gave the top producers Sonar and paid them enough they would come up with something. My question was more along the lines of requesting assistance on workflow issues. The person who said that Sonar (or any other DAW) for that matter cannot duplicate the workflow of an MPC may be right. i was just looking for how any of you go about these things. i keep seeing posts saying Sonatr could duplicate the workflow in that video, but I would truly love to see someone show me because every way that I can think of would take a lot longer than that video. I'm not a fan of "instant" music", but for some things, the basics should be easy.

Beepster. Geist is not meant to be a full fledged DAW. It's simply a sampling drum machine that actually functions as a sampler instead of just playing back samples. I posted that video not so much to compare geist to Sonar since they are two very different animals, but to show an example of one production style. It does what it does well, but as mentioned, is still not quite the same as hardware. I'm not a fan of FL studio, but the dismissal of it being just for kids looking to make things quick is not quite fair since it is currently being used by some of the top current hip-hop producers.

BTW, I can duplicate what was done in the video using Sonar, but I honestly cannot think of a non-tedious way to do it. In nutshell, I was hoping someone knew less tedious ways than me. All of us, no matter how proficient we are tend to look for ways to optimize what we already are capable of.

yeah, sonar lacks a user friendly drum vst/sequencer. Something like http://www.onesmallclue.com/poise.php would be great. Session Drummer doesnt feel right at all to me, and the loading and navigation just plain sucks.

As for the matrix, I admit I have not used it that much. I'm working on a project now where I try to use it more. My initial impression is that i can see why non-hip-hop producers would think it would be ideal for hip-hop in theory, the jury is still out for me on whether it is practical in that genre. I am keeping an open mind. I do appreciate the responses because i think most of them had the intention of helping

Thanks. Poise may be helpful. The step sequencer in Sonar has actually grown on me. maybe it is session drummer that is messing things up for me in that particular genre. As it stands now, I find it easier to use the free sampler short circuit for drums despite it's lack of drag and drop

Yes I understand Geist isn't a DAW. In fact I think you can use it within Sonar. However what I was saying was aside from the automapping of those slices I think everything done in that video could be done just as easily if not easier with the tools in Sonar. BTW... I wasn't the one who dismissed FL. I just said I never managed to get it to work properly. I didn't try very hard though.