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  • Anyone know of or willing to create tutorials for hip-hop workflow on Sonar? (p.4)
2012/12/27 23:41:04
dubdisciple
Beepster, it's cool. :) You are certainly not the type to really insult anything and consistently do your best to help others. My comment about FL was not really aimed at you. Just being general
2012/12/27 23:48:15
dubdisciple
Beepster, not trying to promote geist or any other product for that matter, but I respectfully disagree about Sonar being able to everything just as easily as far as that particular production style. The fact that Sonar does not have full featured sampler would make that a challenge unless you can think of a workaround. If I thought I could get enough participants, i would make a challenge of it. This topic has actually prompted thought. Perhaps I could take a loop, break it up in audio snap and drag the chopped parts into the matrix. You certainly could not do that with drop zone or dimension unless you happened to have a sample already cut up into a REX file
2012/12/28 08:03:19
Beepster
Yeah, man. That's what I'm talking about. Get the cuts you want and just drag 'em into the Matrix. I think I saw a vid for X2s updated Matrix where you could somehow start the cells in the middle of whatever you drug into it. They did a bunch of weird stuff I don't really understand and because I'm not a sampling dude (yet) I don't know the terms but it looked like you could do whatever the heck you wanted as far as stopping and starting the cells and rows. The Matrix is gonna be one feature I want to take a good hard look at in the coming months. Not so much because I want to become some kind of electronica legend but it's also fascinated me how that stuff is put together... especially on the fly. Heck, I didn't even know what a MIDI pad controller was until I started looking around at electronic drum kits to use with Sonar. The kits were too big and far too much money for me so I ended up with padKontrol. I really want to open that puppy up and maybe do some old school industrial which is pretty much all the same method AFAK. Anyway... have fun. I'm ways off of tinkering around with that stuff myself. Cheers.
2012/12/28 08:58:21
MyOldMansCool
Dubdiscpile, if you wish I could e-mail you 'Production Tips For Hip Hop'
 
Best wishes
 
Alan
2012/12/28 10:18:30
Rasure
Seriously check out this guy http://audioschoolonline.com/ lots of tutorials at very reasonable prices including alot on hip hop, not Sonar specific, but what you can do in one DAW can be done in another, I bought quite a few of his vids :-)
 
EDIT: sods law site seems to be down at the time of this post, but here`s his youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/KenMixNY
2012/12/28 11:51:14
perfectprint
ken lewis' tutorials are amazing, but they are solely dedicated to mixing. There is next to nothing on production. Dubspot's youtube channel has a decent number of hiphop production videos (they cover a variety of electronic genres despite their name). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJvwTCgafxE
2012/12/28 12:06:33
Swiller
An old akai sampler and maschine or similar controller are pretty essential items if you want to make authentic hip hop with a decent workflow. I dont think any daw can claim to make things sound authentically hip hop.

Hip hop was born out of looping disco/jazz records first on turntables, then on digital samplers. I dont think sonar is the issue here. Ease of use and what comes through the speakers are two very different things of course.....

The video posted was impressive in its ease of editing, but the drums still sounded dung to my ears after all that work. No where near how good and authentic that drumloop would sound thrown through an akai s1000 for example. 

I have a good friend who is a hobbyist hip hop producer. He picked up and old akai s2000 rack sampler for £45 quid and now throws all his drumloops through it like a drumloop pre amp. He calls it the best drumloop hardware plugin in the world.  His drums sound great and authentic. They have that digital crunchy sound. A big difference from these tweakeable software clones he was using.  He throws in loops via old vinyl from an sl1210 and it sounds hip hop because thats exactly how the genre has been doing it for decades. That is the sound.

Similarly, drumloops in hip hop originated from samples of acoustic drumkits from old 70s disco records or jazz records. (Funky drummer?)
..So dont discount using session drummer 3 and the 500mb acoustic kits for your base for drumloops. Try loading up the wet3 kit (amazing snare), loading up a hip hop midi part and throwing it through a compressor like roughrider 64bit, which is free. Try that compresor on NY compression setting and i reckon you will be nearer the hip hop sound than spending time chopping up samples like in the video.

Sonar x2 will host, sequence and add fx to the sounds/loops no problem at all.  If you expect to get that authentic sound from a daw alone, i think you will be disappointed, despite how easy it is to edit stuff.



2012/12/28 12:22:34
Shambler
Nothing to add except I applaud dubdisciple's excellent handling of replies he has received when some people would have blown a fuse by now
 
I know nothing about hip-hop production so am reading this thread with interest.
2012/12/28 12:27:03
Beepster
Shambler


Nothing to add except I applaud dubdisciple's excellent handling of replies he has received when some people would have blown a fuse by now
 
I know nothing about hip-hop production so am reading this thread with interest.


???

There was only one weird reply and I think that guy was joking.

I'm also enjoying the thread. Glad the big boys showed up. Not my bag but it does interest me.
2012/12/28 13:12:06
dubdisciple
Alan, thanks.  I'm always open to tips
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